The question of Godmen; Sai Baba, Vishwananda etc

Friday, May 11, 2007

Viren's Shenanigans - Updates!



It is prudent to note that these are based on visions by Suven - http://violetflame-suven.blogspot.co.uk/!

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For easy reading, here are the monthly updates on 'Viren's shenanigans'.




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Update Dec 2006
It seems that there may be need for some clarification on whether Viren really was Kusham - in fact he is most likely to have been Lavam!! It is his brother (former life as part of the military and associated with Malcolm X and M.L King ) whom we can conveniently name Niren, that was very likely to have been Kusham.If there was some confusion, it is probably because Viren's former life resembled many of the Kushams who tend to take on many socio-political roles.
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Update Jan 2007
Well well well - the newsflash is that although our friend Niren has been clued up about good ole Vish, he also has been his main partner in crime - much more so then Viren! But still, what with Viren being the eldest, we will not let him off the hook. It gets better - there may be yet another brother somewhere in between Viren and Niren; now this is a Kusham one has to keep an eye on - perhaps the real Kusham - if so, then all the good stuff about Niren is applicable to him, even though he has definitely been the dabbler as well! Too bad that Niren and Viren have not been as bold as him in cross cultural relationships - wonder if their pal Vishwananda has enlightened them as yet!?
So where do we place Niren - this is the cherry on the icing on top of the cake - he was a nice Indian in his last birth.....no seriously he really was!! Wonder which country he was born in though - wonder if he knew uncle Banjo - maybe then we would have called him uncle Niren!! In all seriousness, maybe my mate's cousin who passed away very recently might have recognised him. So what secrets of his past birth is Niren hiding?
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Update Feb 2007
One of the very biased things that my mate has tapped into in her spiritual healing is Vishwananda's tendency to look down on other people's cultures, especially in their particular religious practices. This even extends to other Hindus who would not particularly conform to his cultural practices which appear quite orthodox and are based on his upbringing. For example people from the south of India often have alternative Hindu practices then those of the North (or even West or East) - there seems to be no support from Vishwananda regarding this, even a backlash from him - one wonders if this is a backlash to Sathya Sai Baba who for example is based in the South!! Interesting how Viren and co view this? Suspect that Kiren has been particularly tolerant (maybe even supportive) of Vishwananda's antics. No wait a minute, it's still Viren who's at fault here - will not put this particular one on Kiren. Maybe Niren will have to step in to help but seems Niren has a lesson to learn as well although he may be ambitious for spiritual potential after all from these 2 bros!
Follow-up:
I'm sure many are wondering if these brothers really exist - well for those who know them, they definitely do exist! They exist as much as Lavam and Kusham once existed!! So what is there current connection to Vishwananda?? Probably not a good one thanks to Viren's shenanigans. So what does that mean - might it mean that Vishwananda is happy to let others take the fall on his behalf - at the end of the day, he is the self proclaimed 'guru' so should it not be up to him to accept responsibility!? Or perhaps he owes his 'success' to these brothers and others like them for instance!? Either way, it appears that Vishwananda has benefitted materially in a huge way thanks to Viren, Kiren and Niren - but they are unlikely to be recepients of his goodwill if issues of conflict come in to play; their very goodwill to him may likely be their very downfall and will Vishwananda be there to cover their backs ? Congratulations to him if he does...but suspect that the wave of materialism is stronger than any loyalty to his old supporters..
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Update April 2007It's not April fool but just when I thought things were quieting down with Viren @ co, it seems another revelation is in order. I'm not in the business of apologising to Viren but will be big enough to do so here - no it wasn't him who had the issue with 'south' Indians - it was Kiren all along - yes, brother from the former life turns out to only endure specific type of Indians - can't stand any association to Sathya Sai Baba (NB, who is from the south)!! You're going to love this one - yes, there is also a sister involved - more aligned to Kiren and a definited dabbler in her own right - great role model for 'women' eh....hmm - in case you're wondering no happy relation to Lavam or Kusham either! Many names spring to mind when thinking of Kiren but will let Viren or even Niren handle him. Niren's wife remains the best bet - no seriously - Lavam, Kusham and the rest 'pale' in comparison to Nambirajan's father who was their ancestor! Niren's wife could pretty much deal with the who family especially Kiren's sister who seems to feed off the theory that people from the north of India are fair and people from the south are darker!! Yes I'm sure you see the humour here - forget accepting other race groups - why don't these darn 'Indians' sort themselves out! We've chosen to specifically like the darker types on principle....hmm....can't even rely on Kiren's former lives for this one. Anyway maybe Kiren's sister will learn something although it seems like being princess Bollywood is too much in her blood! The problem with her is that she can't use the excuses of Kiren's teenage years. See a movie script on this family coming up soon - wonder what the influences have been on good ole Swami V - wonder if he likes Kiren's sister or not!?
Follow-up:So if Yogananda can have a couple of incarnations why can't others do the same. I like using the Gandhi example since Yogananda seemed to like him a great deal - what are the odds that Gandhi has taken more than one incarnation - probably very high if everything is relative. One puts Kiren high on the list as a possible incarnation - maybe God's idea of a very good joke!! Furthermore what about Niren - what are the odds that he just about started to follow someone like Sathya Sai Baba in his last birth - now is it a step down or a step up that he has been looking towards Vishwananda?! Well hopefully if we ever hear from them we can confirm one way or the other. Maybe Viren is feeling obliged to help out with all the shenanigans!!.
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Update May 2007Ok, so quite a few epiphanies have come through over the last few weeks; one is that even Niren's wife cannot be let off the hook.
But the first one I want to mention is my mate's view of the role of Sathya Sai Baba whom she takes her cues from. Apparently his literal physical appearance as well as his cultural characteristics have to be accounted for spiritually. So, he is from the south of India, short in stature, with an Afro, has standard Asian complexion, as well as having a higher pitched voice and being slightly effiminate in manner. If you think about it, this represents the cross-section of people who are likely to be discrimated against. So if he is the so-called most powerful ''avatar'', maybe these are the people he is calling to be empowered.
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So who are the dis-empowerers!? Yes, you guessed it - Vishwananda, Viren and co....It's the new brand of yogi imperialism! Now one of the discoveries is that all these characters have at least one or more of these prejudices. Align them to Vishwananda and what do you get? - A bunch of ''spiritual'' people who are tall, fair etc etc with only the men really being respected. Seems with their followers, if you meet at least one of their list of criteria you might be okay. And then what happens to Vishwananda, Viren and Niren - well Kiren takes over the world cause he is the fairest of them all!! A new fairy-tale comes to light!
.So, to use some politically incorrect terminology, my mate (as well as myself) may be considered vertically challenged. But we have yet to meet a short person who doesn't have a brain!
So what of Niren's wife? It stands to reason that she must be a tall woman who likes punjabi men, the fairer the better! Unfortunately we don't have any close punjabi acquaintances among our peers to comment on this.....considering we have a pretty wide cross-section of Asian acquaintancs, this probably says something in itself.....hmm.
I may highlight some of these points, in particular regarding Sai Baba, on the main 'godmen' page in the near future since there are some fairly profound insights put forward.

Follow up:
Viren, Viren, Viren - what the heck to we do about you!? Nuff said!! Heaven, where is Victor when you need him - may need to get help from Jomo Kenyatta!







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Update June 2007Deciphering Viren's story is really a huge jigsaw puzzle. Just when you think you have it figured out, a new twist occurs. Now they are all real stereotypical caricatures. We have said very little about Viren's wife....hmmm. Wonder why? Is she so protected by good ole Visham (whose name means 'poison' by the way in many Indian languages, as a quiet point to note)? Or is it just a case of being a little hen-pecked as far as ole Viren is concerned...can see him cringing; hopefully none of the wives will take the brunt. Now in this syndicate Viren's wife plays quite a crucial role. As far as the women go, the main emphasis has been on Niren's wife, although we have tackled the Kiren's dancing bollywood princess as well….By the way, there’s another even older brother who wears the specs….mmm maybe he’s the smart one since we’re onto sterotypes. But Viren's wife has been flying under the radar all the time - no pun intended! We really do have to take a hard line with her though as she is also a mother. These ladies have probably all been iniated into Vishwananda's version of kriya yoga along with their husbands, partners whatever, but are so hopelessly ill-equiped for the incomprehensible awakening that is almost certain to occur as well as the potential information overload. I mean, they have made an entry into God's pure realm along with all their unresolved karmas and issues - poor God, where does the Allmighty do!?

Viren and his wife have children, one of whom is also very likely to have come from a great life, whether with King, Mandela, Gandhi or Tilak - was Viren and co deliberately drawn by Visham back in the day....obviously! As parents though, why are they risking a karmic burden on their innocent kids. Okay so does Viren have sons or daughters - unfortunately they are girls - why unfortunately? Yes, you've guessed it, a son would be more valued - see what we mean about them being the stereotypical caricatures!! Same goes for Niren and his wife - lucky for them (at the moment) since they have a son. As for Viren’s wife, congratulations on being all for her culture – problem is, she doesn’t extend it to other cultures as well (unless you’re a tall, fair muslim guy) – can you all believe the nonsense we’re obliged to write!!!? Where did Visham find these people – or where did these people find Visham? Anyway damn Kiren’s necklace is all we have to say. Now as for the rest of them, some of them seem to like someone like Gandhi which is really strange since all contemporary people know that Gandhi was a great champion for humanitarian rights and was pretty much the first modern 'male' feminist!! Wonder if Vishwananda knows what the word 'feminist' means....mmm!? Unless a radical transformation occurs, Viren and co's kids are sure to carry their parent's burden which will intensify as time moves on. No respect is due to Viren's wife either because as a women, she lacks maturity and condones what is happening through Vishwananda and Viren & Bros. She also continues to be highly supportive of Vishwananda's shenanigans perhaps at the expense of their children - Viren can't really be bothered; daughters won't amount to much in their world anyway, even if great beings or otherwise. This may also be a warning to Niren's wife as God does not distinguish between men or women on the grand karmic scale. Even though he has one notch above Viren by having a son, Niren might even wish he was a little hen-pecked now himself.

Since they are Bollywood lovers, thanks to Aishwarya Rai for her latest movie!! Hmm, God works in mysterious ways....wonder if Viren will or won't want to lose the beard! Is it Niren or Viren's wife who will agree...eh.




Follow-up:
More input - remember in the early days of 'Viren's shenanigans', a character by the name of Jaf - also one of the group of 'soul-mates'. The defining point about him at the time was to do with a yaught and perhaps some kind of accident (not necessarily on the yaught). The reality is that he is also another mad-cap, to say the very least. But what is the deal with the accident – perhaps it is the will of God that someone in this group has passed on. Was this person one of the great beings of the last few lives we love to chat about – very likely, yes! Was this person way too caught up in Visham & cos shenanigans - definitely! Did this person pay the burden for Visham and perhaps others - definitely! Could Visham have saved this person and perhaps others by choosing to reform and own up - almost certainly! Among other things, for someone desiring 'guru' status Visham is the epitome of cowardice for not taking on his own burdens. If you have normal human failings, then drop the 'guru' status immediately! For those people that see Visham as their 'guru' please be aware that your karmic attributes are becoming more complicated and that a real guru will protect all the people close to you. If someone passes on, then there would have been no other alternative. This is a really important fact - like going to a doctor, a spiritual healer or guru will do everything possible to save peoples lives, not make excuses if they have passed on.
For people who may not have survived the burdens of people like Visham, may their souls be in peace and for others, know they have returned to the guidance of God.
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Pre-July Update
Didn't think we'd have an update so soon but the info keeps pouring in - case of infomation overload even on this side!! Anyhow, would like to title this particular update 'Niren's wife'.
This lady (preferable to use some other adjectives) is some piece of work. Was she once Nambirajan's father - yes!! Would Nambirajan's father like to punish her as she is bringing him down - yes!! Her saving grace so far has been Nambirajan's father but this can only be thanks to ole Visham who loves celebrating the celebrity lives (as long as you're on his side of course). So what is the real Niren's wife all about?? She worships Visham, in more ways than one; she also has a taste for Vishnudeva Saraswati slash Sri Padma Ananda (where the heck do they find these names!) and the other 'western gurus'. She definitely likes Kiren, Jaf etc etc, she probably also likes our elusive pal 'Viren' and somewhere in the midst of all this she also likes her hubby Niren. She actually makes the other women in this syndicate seem saintly esp as she fully supports the 'dabbling' lifestyle. She has a son - the question is, who is the father in the swinging scenario? Remember allegations of Yogananda - could history be repeating itself!?

Anyway this woman gives new meaning to the term 'prejudices'. And considering she's a favourite of twenty-something Vishwananda, that is particularly worrying. Since they take their cues from the movies, may we recommend a change in genre; as God would have it there is a movie on circuit that she could learn some valuable lessons from - the men revolving around her would also benefit amazingly enough by watching William Wilberforce!!
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Update July 2007
So are are going to do a slight turnaround for this update - no, Viren and co have not suddenly become ''good'' although stranger things have happened. Actually we are going to revert back to Zaph; remember, another brother from previous life and once Kusham! Well hats off to Zaph and his brother (in this life, note) - they cannot handle Viren, Visham and co anymore than we can!! Glad to have a few on our side. We can honestly say they as South Africans say keep away from this country at least!
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Not to say that South Africans don't have their faults either - advice, especially for some of the ladies - these guys are not eclectic....they are dabblers!!
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The end (for now)!
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Final Update (i.e just before the ‘final final update’)
Well, in the wake of ‘Gandhi My Father’ we would like to extend our thanks to ‘the brothers’, by no means forgetting the emerging ‘sisters’ as well (but that’s a whole other story)! Special mention must be made to the Kushams (Kushathalams), Lavams (Lavathalams), Chandraketams, Kumudavatiams, Kumudanams, Virochanams, Arjunams (think you catch the drift here!), Abhimanyams and of course the Nambans (Nambirajans). As Viren & co start the ‘long walk’ it may be appropriate to quote from the bard himself, ‘all hail the brus, the sisters all hail’!

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Final Final Update (We hope so!)
Well if you're having withdrawal symptoms on what Viren & co have been up to, it is safe to say that their long walk has begun! That also goes for people in our own backyard, in a manner of speaking - remember the poor ladies from this neck o' the woods who had also been taken in thanks to all the dabblings no doubt - well hopefully the Visham/Viren duo are no longer their surrogate 'gurus'. Chela is a suitable name for one of the ladies - no pun intended since 'chela' also means 'deciple' - undoubtedly she has lived up to the name as far as the V-V duo go.

As for the cricket and bollywood group that have been entangled in this world, remember that if you are wondering who you were in some life, take note that ‘’Ricky Martin’’ was once Gandhi. We did mention a fast bowler at some point – probably right-arm, quite recently retired…..maybe Ricky Martin who is a Yogananda follower can also enlighten eh! Could it be Waqar Younis !?

As for you poor Indians from the 'south' also waiting to be selected by the V-V elite circle of ‘deciples’ - sorry to say that you will continue to be waiting so better look elsewhere. Maybe people like Chela will enlighten….hmm. Vishwananda may have been Yogananda who may have been Shakespeare (yes the literary genius) who may have been 'William the Conqueror' who may have been Arjuna but no, some of us just do not meet the criteria of being accepted by someone who was once William the Conqueror!! Thank goodness I say!

If you think I'm losing it, look no further than these sites:
http://oaks.nvg.org/w9.html
http://www.ananda.org/inspiration/books/place/28.html
http://www.ananda.org/inspiration/books/place/4.html
http://www.ananda.org/inspiration/books/path/38.html

The fact that 'Avatar' and William the Conqueror have been mentioned in the same chapter written by Yogananda's direct deciple kind of sums it up. Yes it is true - Yogananda did say one would have to be an avatar to do his work and did also say that he was once William the Conqueror. I leave the debate open.....!
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Conclusion – August 2008
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Overall Niren’s wife has been so far dealt with pretty harshly – to be fair to her, she is probably a relatively normal person with decent points as well who came under a situation to be scrutinised as many of the individuals in ‘Viren’s Shenanigans.’ Likewise with even Viren and Niren and all the other characters, who are likely to have some good characteristics as well.

It is an interesting world that became exposed in the limelight. When following a spiritual path, one has to be careful as all may not be what it seems. If you are on a path where you may learn of previous births, great responsibility comes with this as well.
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In consideration of someone like Vishwananda for example who makes various claims, if you learn of being great souls like Lavam and Kusham, Arjuna or Abhimanyu, what does this mean for you as an individual. This is one of the main underlying points of ‘Viren’s Shenanigans’.
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Further links (Oct 2009):
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On Nambirajan/Nambi
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On Kriya Babaji:
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On Parikshit (son and 'same soul' as Abhimanyu):
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Interesting read by Vasantha Sai:
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2010 - Been sensing severe withdrawal symptoms!
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So has Viren been behaving himself in the last few years - seems like things have been quiet on that front! But just when one section of the 'robe-wearer's' clan starts to settle down, the boat rocks again in another area. Picture a beautiful woman - a sublimely beautiful woman - maybe she's perfect; is there such a thing? Her ideals perhaps portray inner and outer beauty as mutually dependent........until one enters the bedroom!! Hmm... Vishwananda likes her (maybe loves her in his own fiendish way) - enough said!
So this beauty of beauties has made her way to South African soil - think Viren's covert friends from the ''South'' (no country specification required) may have to render their services!
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A sudden memory - remember the potential imminent yaught accident perhaps relating to someone called 'Jaf', then again perhaps not - not sure if that did occur - it would have been unfortunate as the victim may have been a woman, maybe the sister - obviously Vishwananda would not be devoid of insight - is the sorry swami their worldly mate, or a karmic one!?
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Going back to our 'serial' beauty (yes competition even for the Aishwarya Rais') - scarily enough she has found some kind of home in Durbs by the sea. Note she is ambitious - the feminist of favour is her goal - but ladies beware, you will be forgotten in the 'boudoir' and please keep your daughters away from her - this was a genuinely disturbing piece of awareness - here's hoping that her partner has not had and will not have little girls unless of course he really happens to be the "right" one....if so, 'child welfare' may have to be called.
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Remember our South African friends, Zaph and co - seems like they're no longer (soul) mates as kind of predictably they fell prey to the temptation from the fair beauties - okay, so one or two of the ladies may be smaller size-wise but discarding our crucial 1860 history is still under threat. Anyways why are sincere humanitarian beliefs so difficult to fully comprehend, forget practising!? Believe me if the darker beauties were at equal fault, they would be named and shamed but we have failed to find them!! Ahh think the Ghandhis' have also been failing here - failing to protect the quintessential Indian woman from the onslaught of the tall, fair West! This somewhat petite, olive'y', sultry woman is usually the embodiment of inner strength (sometimes 'outer' as well :). Yes yes I know, we can still find them in the southern territories (in all honesty maybe in the north as well outside of the average wannabe-bollywood home)!
Well we have to say 'thank you' Sathya Sai Baba for choosing your form! 'Mother Meera' (bizarrely from the south), Vishnudeva Sarasvati (aka Padma Ananda) and Vishwananda's circle (where Ammachi fits in we have no idea as yet, though her main 'swami' deciple may already be on the side of the fallen 'Yogananda') take note.... We have a dream, we have a dream that the Mandelas' will not fail to fail.......
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Hope at last........it seems that our serial beauty may have finally been 'snookered' (no pun intended.....) by a tall 'southern' someone no less! Yes, Sathya's Sai's hand is at work. It's still early days but stay tuned.....
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Footnote:
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Movies to watch
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It's a Very Merry Muppet Christmas Movie or Ghost
Bruce Almighty?? or Invictus
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Or else, obviously 'Winona Ryder' movies! :) Ok, fair enough - Denzel's Masala movie will do!
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By the way, Eddie Murphy has been a 'yogi' - what about the paleontologists?
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2012 - Now what would Viren predict!?!
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Yes it has been a long time but rest assured the world Viren introduced us to is alive and kicking but the best thing is to enclose a post here from Suven that is truly enlightening!!
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"This may be a bit of a risk but the best way to deal with something extremely serious and perhaps the only way is exposure – the false gurus who have a small measure of yogic power but unfortunately too much in a world that is largely spiritually ignorant can use such power on a naïve society to dire consequences. The celebrity culture is key to the false gurus because of some inherent quality in most of needing to put another on a pedestal so they look for those weak celebrities who can fall prey to their charm and power assuming that they themselves will get more powerful – the blog below is central to identifying the key celebrity players as well as those who have rejected such false spiritual authorities – the Bollywood industry as well as the Asian cricketing sectors have succumbed in large numbers to the lure of greater power and money from the false gurus and at the helm of this is an ex Pakistani cricketer and coach from the Jat community that can be identified further in the blog – notably the emphasis is on the him being from the Jat community as opposed to the Islamic one!
Considering he is sincerely spiritually inclined the example of Ricky Martin and his charitable works give a ray of hope that there are some celebrities who are not subject to being negatively influenced – in the world of the false gurus and their central supporters political agendas are complicated where each race group plays a pivotal role ensuring a hierarchy and this is where I stumbled on this information as Tamilians do not feature at all in this hierarchy with the exception of certain individuals who may be of use to them in some way in this near mafia type of bizarreness – scandal and intrigues of seduction walk hand in hand with these characters who publicly usually portray an image of domestic harmony! I personally have accepted a path of wisdom that may be full of challenges but being true to oneself is the best way!"
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The blog in question is this particular one - some further elaboration is that there is a beautiful young lady of possible South Indian persuasion most likely from Kerala but very unlikely to be Tamil who is connected in all sorts of intimate ways to the ex cricketer and coach in question - she has one up on her fair friends by being medium in complexion with long straight dark locks - obviously eyebrows are raised on being one up on her fair friends as Viren would be forced to explain if he could - essentially the ex cricketer has selected her for prime attention that may extend even to offspring obviously due to the intimacy but also strategically - real strategy would not being caught out!!!! But wait there is more - apparently me and a few friends in the business of warning regarding the false gurus such as Suven as well are intimate friends of this young lady as she has been indicating along with being spiritually advanced - safe to say if anyone asks that we have never seen or spoken to her in the flesh but would certainly like to do so on any given opportunity - the question is will we be hunted down by her and this threatening cricketing lot or will they go running to the safe arms of their false guru syndicate!!!
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Sorry people - just had to add my apologies for those that saw the black leather mankini or whatever it was by vision or any other means - I mean I did not know these leather belt contraption mankinis with studs existed and it certainly has been an education for Viren and co as much as it has been for me - not sure if I will get over this one - those things need to come with a warning for everyone and primarily for the wearer - I mean there is one thing bringing humour into the bedroom but this probably woke Sai Baba up!!
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It is prudent to note that these are based on visions by Suven - http://violetflame-suven.blogspot.co.uk/!