The question of Godmen; Sai Baba, Vishwananda etc

Wednesday, March 08, 2006

Sai Baba, Vishwananda etc; the question of godmen

An increasing concern on the subject of bogus gurus has initiated the motivation to write a passage on the question of Godmen which hopefully attempts to provoke a deeper enquiry into the nature of gurus and the so-called enlightened beings who have become increasingly fashionable in the quest for divine growth.

What I have learned is that an uplifting spiritual experience can become quite addictive. One may wonder what wrong there can be in that. Surely the point of spiritual upliftment for most of us is to yearn for more until we reach inner fulfillment or peace! The most common problem facing the modern spiritual seeker is lack of adequate guidance. A specific avenue can seem quite tempting but may in fact be potentially detrimental, even disastrous, to an individual. Wandering through a few avenues of attaining spiritual heights, stories have arisen; stories of abuse of yogic power, scandal, lust, sexual abuse, kundalini mistreatment, possession, imposed soul ties and severe mental and emotional torment. Hence it is worth delving more deeply into the essence and nature of these ostensibly great beings. Invariably there appears to be an increase in the number of persons with a great deal of yogic power who are able to make a very lucrative living from demonstrating such abilities although having no sincere interest in the spiritual development of their followers. They may conduct themselves in a way that suggests that they have great abilities and knowledge, but will they really stand the test of time as individuals advance in their own intellectual and spiritual awareness. Unfortunately a surprising number of individuals, particularly women in their twenties, thirties and forties have found themselves in unsolicited, and usually vulnerable positions at times. Tragically their stories often remain obscured as societal pressure and judgement disallows their freedom of expression. Moreover many of them find themselves entrapped by the false spiritual teacher, master, guru or swami and fear prevents them from voicing their afflictions.

Although most of these bogus gurus are men, there are a few women as well who also operate in the West claiming to be avatars or enlightened souls who also demonstrate questionable practices. The obvious way of detecting their authenticity is whether there is any obligation to pay an amount of money including the so-called 'minimum donation' for what is called 'darshan' or divine transmission of blessings. There should never be an obligation to provide any money for just being in the presence of someone, especially someone who claims to be a master or avatar. A true avatar will never demand anything from anyone and will give freely of themselves as part of their unconditional love.

It must also be said that many of the numerous channels of spiritual development are indeed full of love and wisdom and can be extremely uplifting to its diciples and followers. However blind acceptance is not the answer and furthermore, demonstration by one of yogic or other forms of power does not necessarily equate to an enlightened being. One does have to question the nature of the so-called Godmen.

Sri Sathya Sai Baba is a primary example - God incarnate or Avatar, man of miracles, spiritual giant or fake (as many recent reports would have you believe). With his trademark afro of disctiction, he has become increasingly shrouded in controversy over the last few years. His followers are numerous, many millions worldwide; a few are profoundly devoted, a greater proportion are primarily seeking his blessing and benevolence as one who can take care of them and cure them of their varied problems. Alongside his controversies are his acts of great deeds - a thriving town in a remote part of India with a university and hospital of distinction (free of charge to all). Then there are the overwhelming reports of his remarkable miracles of materialisation, being in two totally different places at the same time, curing the sick and even raising the dead. So the decision on this god-man may be a difficult one to make.

Then there are the young upcoming gurus who again seem to find their niche in the West, especially with the increasing number of younger people interested in exploring the spiritual world who remain the obvious targets. See the growing appeal of the so-called young yogi from Mauritius - Swami Vishwananda (also known as Visham). The free flowing praise of him from his followers overshadows those who knew him growing up in Mauritius as someone who had an affinity with Sathya Sai Baba as well, having gone frequently to his ashram. Mauritian sources make mention that he was married to someone in Europe a number of years ago and would also request money from individuals in his home area to visit Sai Baba's ashram periodically in his more youthful days (bearing in mind he is still in his twenties). Yet in recent years there appears to be a detachment from Sathya Sai Baba, with Vishwananda branching off on his own, aligning himself elsewhere and consolidating his own organisation. He has claimed to be the reincarnation of Yogananda, of 'autobiography of a yogi' fame. Whether this is true or not, it is worth remembering that rumours have surrounded Yogananda himself as being something of the ladies man (and perhaps also fathering a child). So the jury's out on this one! As for Vishwananda, the irony is that many of his initial supporters have been followers of Sathya Sai Baba as well and his disconnection gives rise to obvious talk among circles. Vishwananda has become more well known among devotees of Sai Baba, especially in the UK and recent responses refer to younger, more vulnerable women being the target of malpractice (even at a sexual level) after going to see Vishwananda. Apparently a group (predominently from Germany) went to Sai Baba's ashram last year to receive healing after having very challenging experiences with Vishwananda. A few were reported to have received the necessary help. Others perhaps have not been fortunate enough as yet.
One of the difficult things to make sense of is that whatever your impressions of Sathya Sai Baba, he remains an elderly figure with an immense and established following reputed to be engaged in humanitarian activities around the world - this is not a celebration of the organisation which has consolidated around him but an acceptance of the kind of work that has been done as directed over the years. Hence regardless of Vishwananda's abilities or powers, he is still a young man in his late twenties or so who cannot be compared to someone of the kind of stature of Sai Baba. It is bizarre then that he would aim to connect to followers of this elderly guru (or god-man if you believe this) and at the same time dis-associate from him as an avatar whom he once followed as well - unless, of course, it has become a mere case of competition. One wonders whether Sai Baba may have something in store for those who are riding the gravy train, so to speak.

And so the questions continue about these god-men and enlightened beings..........


On a more sensitive note, if you feel you would like to share a story that you may normally find difficult to talk about regarding seemingly enlightened beings, feel free to comment here (anonymous or otherwise).
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VISHWANANDA UPDATE
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VIREN'S SHENANIGANS - UPDATES



A bit of fun on the comment below on Vishwananda being the demon that killed Kusha. Spoofed a blog tied in with some factual info - this is a bit of easy reading on the monthly updates for Viren!!
http://thequestionofgodmen.blogspot.com/2007_05_01_archive.html
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REFLECTION ON FEMALE GURUS

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UPDATE: NOVEMBER 2010

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*Related link: (Suven's blogsite)


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126 Comments:

  • At 8:49 PM, Blogger H.H. Swami Saiexposedananda said…

    Hi,

    I thought that this was a very interesting blog. I'd like to know more if possible.

    I was a devotee of Sathya Sai Baba for just over a decade, and made six trips to see him in India. Now no longer a devotee, I use this blog to record memories, comments and muses on the Sai scenario and also point out inaccuracies in Sai Baba's philosophical and theological presentation.

    I've also made a blog to keep a record of the movements of Sathya Sai's Copycats, and you can see my Vishwananada page there.

    I found your last "gravy train" comment to be very interesting. You might find it interesting to see what Sathya Sai Baba himself has to say: Sai Baba And The Ban-Gurus.

    Please keep in touch if possible, and keep up the good work!

     
  • At 9:44 AM, Blogger Sheen said…

    Hi,

    Would like to chat more! Currently constructing a website which you may be interested to view:
    http://www.geocities.com/sharewithsheen/Share_all.html

    http://www.geocities.com/sharewithsheen/Questionofgodmen.html

    Thanks for the comments - will chat more when time permits but look forward to hearing more from you as well.

     
  • At 6:15 AM, Blogger Spidersam said…

    I believe it's a good thing that the internet allows us to have access to all kinds of information, that potentially can support us in deriving our very personal point of view (ulitmately the only 'truth')

    I'd like to anyone (for the writer and the readers) to consider just this:

    "Judge not that ye be not judged" (Sermon on the Mount)
    it is a timeless advice and (at least for me) truth

    so: it is so easy to judge people you don't know; but if you're still into judging, why not at least make an earnest effort in knowing someone/something better ?

    for transparency's sake:
    am very close to Swami Vishwananda
    (but what I'm writing should be seen irrespective of this, we're all one ultimately, aren't we ? so from that perspective, I'm equally close to you as well ;-) )

     
  • At 10:03 AM, Blogger Sheen said…

    To the above post (Spidersam):

    Certainly we all are bound to God and share that oneness; but nonetheless we are all here for some karmic purpose as well and we have to make our 'so-called' judgements everyday in life in order to keep to our path, remain protected etc etc. Understandably if you're close to Vishwananda, or if someone is close to Sai Baba, certain things may be difficult to accept. As the author, the information given is based on direct accounts, not on hear-say. So I have written as I have heard it from people that I have no reason to doubt - in a way, once you are give certain information, an obligation comes with that as well. May you find your own truth and best wishes in your path.

     
  • At 9:27 AM, Blogger Sheen said…

    VISHWANANDA UPDATE:

    Hello to all those who concerned with the malpractices of this self appointed yogi.

    I will be doing another blog soon regarding this but though I should alert all those who are following this blog as it is more widely accessible.

    My original article on the question of godmen has generated alot of interest on Vishwananda. It seems that the universe is working in favour of enlightening us on the true nature of this worldly 'spiritual' being by an increasing feedback in response to this blog.

    As I've stated on the Sathya Sai 'Copycats' blog (see first comment), there is more feedback on Vishwananda having attended Sai services in UK until some years ago and acquainted himself with some of the Sai youth. Apparently some Sai members (predominently youth) have left to join him. It sound like some kind of brainwashing is underway or more specifically manipulation via yogic powers as people have indicated an experience of increased sexual energy in his presence yet seem to justify it in the name of individual issues!! My experience and understanding of individual concerns of the psyche is that things manifest only when one is ready to deal with it.

    My opinions are perhaps beside the point in this situation however, especially as word as got out (in response to these blogs) that Vishwananda spent time in prison in Switzerland some years back allegedly for stealing religious artifacts.

    I don't wish to say more on this as yet as I cannot verify everything except say that the information of him spending time in prison appears authentic.

    I really do urge people to be very wary as there now is increasing validity in avoiding him.

    It you would like to share any personal comments, please feel free to email me at:
    sharewithsheen@yahoo.co.uk

     
  • At 3:38 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    I have been following Vishwananda too in Uk and i can tell you that he is only using his Siddhis to attract people.Ask you why does he change religions or gurus so often.First Sathya Sai Baba,then Catholic and Now his own religion.
    Here is some quotes from divine masters,Please read it and make your own conclusion....
    BE CAREFUL

    False Gurus and Siddhis
    (Occult or Supernatural Powers)
    The Universe is full of false preceptors. Overly clever, they surround themselves with selfish pleasures and bestow their ‘grandiose’ teachings upon the unwary. Prematurely publicizing themselves, intent upon reaching some spiritual climax, they constantly sacrifice the Truth and deviate from the real spiritual path. What they really offer the Universe is their own confusion.
    In the Universe as at present there are plenty of people masquerading as Gurus, due to sheer ignorance or in a deliberate attempt to deceive the gullible. Hence it is essential for the aspirant to be very sure of the person, before he accepts and accolades him as his Guru. There are some who profess to be Gurus, and are ardent worshippers of some deity or other. These people may even get or cause to get their deities of choice to manifest and thereby exhibit siddhis -occult powers, such as levitation, walking on water, seating on ice for hours, being immune to pain, appearing certain objects, walking on fire, becoming invisible, etc.
    A Guru can be endowed with countless siddhis. Possession of siddhis, however, is not the test to declare the greatness of a sage or to prove that he has attained Self-realization. A real Guru does not exhibit any miracle or siddhi.
    Sri Krishna is believed to be the most exalted in the knowledge of spiritual liberation. He never tried to develop any kind of siddhis. He merely ate and drank like a normal human. Yet he was a far greater Guru than that all past great spiritual preceptors.
    Buddha severely criticized some practices that lead to the attainment of siddhis because he said that this could severely interfere with our spiritual growth.
    In the Kevatta Sutta -Buddhist philosophical scripture- Buddha said that there are three types of occult powers:
    1. The miracle of psychic power.- Walking on water without sinking, vanishing, going unimpeded through walls or ramparts as if through space, levitating, etc.
    2. The miracle of telepathy.- There is the case where a person reads the minds, the mental events, the thoughts, the ponderings of other beings.
    3. The miracle of instruction.- This is the ability of a person to instruct and to lead people in the correct path towards mukti -spiritual liberation.
    Buddha said: "Seeing the drawback to the miracles of psychic power and telepathy, I feel horrified, humiliated, and disgusted with the miracles of psychic power and telepathy. The only miracle that a person should practice is the miracle of instruction."
    The great sage Ramakrishna Paramahamsa declared that siddhis were an obstacle in the attainment of spiritual liberation. Though better off than the common ignorant, these people cannot be accepted as Gurus. Some false Gurus exhibit occult powers, performing miracles to attract the people that are near them. This has become an universal problem nowadays. The attainment and practice of occult powers -siddhis- goes in contradiction with the Yugadharma -Spiritual Law of this age.

     
  • At 9:08 AM, Blogger Sheen said…

    VISHWANANDA UPDATE AND KRIYA YOGA:

    Thanks to the recent anonymous comment on Siddhis or manifestation of power (as is more commonly understood).

    Attaining various siddhis is not uncommon on a yogic path and many people on a spiritual path begin to develop hints of awakening or power e.g psychic abilities or heightened intuition. These can very often be a stumbling block as the previous post emphasised as one may become attached to these powers rather than keeping the focus on God. Furthermore these powers may provide a huge temptation to abuse them as Vishwananda had done.

    Vishwananda is associated with Yogananda, both of whom have alot of siddhi power and apparently practiced Kriya yoga. This form of Kriya yoga should be taken with a pinch of salt based on the characters of the so-called gurus practicing it.

    For those interested in Kriya yoga, a more enlightened form can be explored via this website:
    http://www.kriyayoga.org/muruga.html

    Although I do not feel the need to follow any specific yogic paths, I have explored the teaching given directly by Babaji to the original members of the above website, and it is far more in tune my own path and beliefs than anything that was written by Yogananada or any other similar gurus.

    Vishwananda cannot possibly be an exponent on Kriya yoga even though he may have technical knowledge on Kundalini yoga, practices etc. Kriya yoga as I understood it, is a holistic principle based on service to man, character, dharma and so on.

     
  • At 8:40 AM, Anonymous Cold wars said…

    Vishwananda Bandwagon....

    Decided to jump on it as well as I'm aware about some of his stuff and obvious he's a hoax. Seems he also likes playing up to famous past lives...the main obsession with being Yogananda....actually Yogananda as well was pretty big on revealing his past lives as some biography makes reference to!

    Other famed lives of Vishwanada that seems to appeal to him are the ancient ones - rumour has it he may have been the demon that killed one of Rama's twin sons, Kusha in a combat!! Well anythings possible!

     
  • At 11:52 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Vishwananda fully copying Sai Baba

    Sai Baba:

    1.At the age of 14 declared to be Sai Baba
    2. Sai Organisation
    3.Symbol(cross,om,star,fire)
    4.Orange Robes.
    6.Materialisations
    7.Golden Linam
    8.Darshan
    9.Sai baba Bhajans
    10.Reincarnation of Shirdi Sai Baba
    11.Love all serve all

    Vishwananda:
    1.Got samadhi at the age of 14(without a guru)
    2.Vishwananda Organisation
    3.Symbol(om,cross,star)
    4.Orange robes
    5.Materialisations
    6.Golden Lingam
    7.Darshan
    8.Vishwananda Bhajans
    9.Reincarnation of Yogananda
    10. love beyonds words

    Well sooNthere wil be more avatars like sai baba and vishwananda than disciples...Its a very good bussiness nowadays(Cars,Ashrams,money....oand so on)
    Pople do not ask themselves why these Gurus go to rich countries to teach...why not going in poor countries???
    IF AVATRARS CAN REINCARANATE WHO KNOWS IF DEMONS CAN DO IT ALSO....
    BEWARE

     
  • At 12:08 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    I do not know this Vishwananda but i just want to add something about Spiritual Life and God:

    We all have read sacred texts and books about ancient gurus in india and avavatars.

    When we look back in history we see that these holy people was very simple;like for examples ancients Gurus or Swamis
    Did they travel,sit on chair,people singing their praise or doing their aarthis, giving darshan,did they look for mass and ask money to built ahsram ect...
    These holy people came here only to remind us of the Love of God.
    The teached Meditation tecqniques, Yoga or other things ro reach that Special God not to reach them.There considered themselves only as a ladder to climb and to reach the eternal.Nowadays you have Swamis coming from their country to teach in the west(is western people more in need of sprirituality than their own country)IF YOUR own HOME IS NOT CLEAN HOW CAN YOU GO TO YOUR NEIGBOURS TO CLEAN
    What I mean is that these people should help their country first.
    They considered themselves as living Gods but remember one thing be a Human being first before pretending to be Gods.fOR THIS VISWHANANDA WHILE SAERCHING ON HIS SITES,I DIDNT GET ANY IMFORMATION OF HIS TEACHINGS,ONLY COME FOR DARSHAN AND EXPERIENCE LOVE BEYONDS WORDS.IF DARSHAN CAN HELP PEOPLE TO GET LIBERATION THEN I CAN DO BAD ACTIONS AND GO FOR DARSHAN!!!!

     
  • At 6:33 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Dear all sincere seekers

    All that is happening,ex devotees of Vishwananda or Sai baba experiences, is to be taken serioulsly.Most human want a proof or a miracle to beleive in the existense of God.I think that the thruth of the existense of God is already here but we are all blind and cannot see his Love and Miracles.When we wake up in the morning the sun is already here showering us with its rays....
    God lies in simple things....
    Simplicity is what Jesus or Krishna and Bhuddha Taught.
    A Guru IS SOMEONE WHO SHOW YOU A WAY TO GOD....Now in this world there are lots of false prophets or avavtars...
    I think that a true aavatar will never tell who he really is but just doing his work.People must be really carefull while looking for a Guru.A TRUE AVATAR OR GURU WILL NERER ASK MONEY FOR DARSHAN OR PRIVATE INTERVIEW..A TRUE GURU WILL LOOK FOR GOD SEEKERS FIRST IN HIS own COUNTRY...A TRUE GURU WILL NEVER SHOW OR DEMONSTRATE MIRACLES TO ATTRACT PEOPLE...A TRUE GURU WILL NEVER LOVE OR GET ATTACHED TO LUXURY LIKE VISHWANANDA.A TRUE GURU WILL CHANGE HIS DISCIPLES LIVES IN THEIR EVERY DAY LIFE TO A BETTER ONE.Now you see Swamis going in the west,seeking money for Darshan and private interviews.I ask all Vishwananda's devotess if He is really a Guru who can performs miracles...So why doesnt he cure people with great illness,like Cancer,Aids,Blind,or true miracles like Jesus did or Other AvATARS.wHY DOES HE Materialise MATERIAL OBJECTS LIKE RINGS,OR BRACELET JUST LIKE SAI BABA.Does this tricks help to prove the power of God or does this rings helps Poeple to get Liberation.Search God within you and do not be fooled by these swamis.There are rare and uniques Gurus in India,who can performs miracles that you even cant imagine like Mahavatar Babaji,Does he make publicity on his miracles,or sit on chair and ask devotees to sing his praise or doing his Aarthi.No because he is too great for that.What people need to understand that God was is always here for us but we prefer to look for miracles or other tricks to beleive which give rise to fake gurus.Search in all Vedas or Puranas about Gurus of Swamis Showing Siddhis,People not believing in God is better that Them.May you all find your ways and use your wisdom to find God and be very careful in your search of a true Master.

     
  • At 11:50 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    "After knowing the truth about Sathya Sai Baba whom i was a devotee...I advice poeple to be very careful with these Saibabacopycats".I have a friend in Switzerland who knew Vishwananda and she told me that he was a close devotee of Sathya Sai Baba.He build a Sai temple also in his country and there is miracles of Vibhutis also.He left Sai Baba after and became Christian and now his own Branch.A guru takes you to a point not changing religions everytime.Even if Vishwananda is Popular now he cannot escape his past and in the near future many people will be deceived by him.

     
  • At 12:12 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Nice quote from a website:

    True and Fake Gurus

    "In traditional Indian (and Tibetan) society, the Guru is an important part of that culture. And even there it is very rare to find a True Guru. But when this sociotype is transplanted to the West, things become very different. The guru has tremendous power and wealth, and there is often explicate sexual advantage taken of young female disciples. This whole ugly phenomena started with the Beatles' flirtation with Mahesh Maharishi (of TM fame). Prior to him there were only a few gurus in the West, like Vivikananda and Yogananda, and they only had only a small following. It was more like the traditional Indian arrangement. With the Beatles and Maharishi there began the phenomenon of the pop-guru or big-business mass-market guru, or cult guru, where an oriental teacher who may or may not be sincere (my feeling is that most of them are sincere, at least at the beginning) is put in a position of extraordinary power and adulation over a large number of disciples.

    Often these gurus claim vast spiritual status. They say they are an Avatar or a Sadguru. Nowadays there are so many gurus, each claiming to be the avatar of our age. This is part of the weakness of our society. People in the West are like gullible sheep looking for someone to lead them. I have encountered first hand a fake guru who calls himself Swamiji, no more enlightened than you or I, yet considered Sadguru by himself(?) and his followers. His followers are doe-eyed professional people and a few more alternative types. He claims to be a tantric teacher. He almost certainly takes advantage of his female disciples. He is certainly not a bad man, an evil man., Just someone who has let all the adulation go to his head.


    Placing trust in a Guru is such a huge commitment, a false guru can be deadly. So many people face spiritual shipwreck because of their devotion to impure gurus who then abuse their trust. The only way you can tell if a guru is genuine is by looking at them with total sincerity, and listening to the small voice of your own inner light. Total absolute sincerity. If there is anything that makes you uneasy, anything at all, get out of there! Even so it may take several meetings before you notice the fakery. Some signs are:

    asking for monetary donations(MINIMUM DONATIONS)
    claiming to give you Enlightenment at a touch(DARSHAN)
    making sexual advances,
    indulging in drugs,
    lying,
    making false claims (e.g. reincarnation)
    living in ostentateous surroundings, and/or demanding huge gifts from their disciples to support their lifestyle
    psychologically manipulating their disciples
    Saying things that even in the slightest make you feel uneasy"

    If people use their wisdom and faith in God they will see that all these signs of a fake guru applies totally to Vishwananda.

     
  • At 12:17 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Another Quote from Sanatan Weekly:

    "Beware of anyone who is considered a Guru in Spirituality.
    These days, we hear many a stories about fake “Gurus”. In fact, due to the rising number of incidents of deception by unscrupulous people faking holiness for monetary and other gains, most people searching for Spiritual guidance have pretty much given up on the idea that there indeed, can be real saints in today’s society. However, every spiritual aspirant must remember the following analogy before reaching this prejudiced conclusion: just because we come across quacks, does not mean that there aren’t any good doctors in the field of medicine. Similarly, even though it is a fact that today, almost 97% of the “Gurus” are fake, it does not mean that there are no real Gurus.

    If we take a close look at the reason why the number of incidents involving fake Gurus is on the rise, we will realize that the main factor responsible for this increase is not so much the unscrupulous elements as the number of vulnerable people who desperately want to get rid of their problems. Such vulnerability, unfortunately, ends up promoting fake Gurus.

    We have to realize that only Saints or true Gurus can solve our problems and the only way to get their grace, is to do spiritual practice. Of course, not many have the patience so essential for doing spiritual practice. Most people are deluded by the misconception that offering money to God or Ascetics can solve their problems. What they fail to realize is that if God wanted money so badly, the richest man in the world would be liberated! God looks for our spiritual emotion, not our money.

    The unhappiness that we suffer is most often (80% of the times) due to a spiritual factor. Spiritual practice helps in increasing our tolerance for undergoing unhappiness. Instead of hoping that we never fall out of a boat, it would be more appropriate to learn how to swim. Similarly, instead of hoping that we never have problems, it would be more appropriate to increase our tolerance to face them".

     
  • At 12:24 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    The following are signs that a guru may be fake or otherwise not bonafide:

    1. If the guru talks about being Self-Realized
    2. If the guru asks for money for his/her own gain
    3. If the guru performs tricks in order to gain a crowd
    4. If the guru waters down philosophy in order to gain a bigger crowd
    5. If the guru is interested in gaining a large crowd
    6. If the guru is poorly knowledgable in the shaastras
    7. If the guru takes advantage of devotees in any way
    8. If the guru regularly is transported in luxury vehicles
    9. If the guru often stays in luxury hotels
    10. If the guru avoids devotees or dodges questions
    11. If the guru charges money for any spiritual techniques other than only the mandatory costs necessary to provide the equipment, teachers, etc. Also, if the guru does not provide a bonafide alternative payment or lack thereof to those who desire the technique but cannot afford it.
    12. If the guru charges money for a technique where some of the money is used for impious purposes.
    13. If the guru does any of the following: eats meat, consumes alcohol or drugs, engages in promiscuous sex, or takes an interest in materialistic things and endeavors
    14. If the guru expects devotees to serve him but does not serve his/her devotees.

     
  • At 9:35 AM, Blogger Sheen said…

    To the recent comments:

    Your comments are spot on - you may be interested in a detailed study that was made on the psyche of gurus, entitled 'the guru papers' by Kramer and Alstad. Definitely worth reading:
    http://web.ionsys.com/~remedy/Kramer%20and%20Alstad.htm

    Also updated on new blog:
    http://vishwananda-shenanigans.blogspot.com/

     
  • At 11:55 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    I really appreciate your findings and your work on thruth.I know Vishwananda through a friend and after searching on his websites,I saw how the truth have been changed completely on his Biography.When you see what Sathya Sai Baba has done to his ex devotess and he still a living god for millions of people I feel very discouraged.These Guru is doing a good bussiness and many of their followers are comitting a sin by helping them.They proclaim to be the real one or Reincarnation of great masters.It is very easy to proclaim oneself to be master but you have to prove it.Vishwananda play on people emotions and feelings and uses sweet words to attract people.Unfortunately besides his horrible past people are flowing like ants to get his so called darshan(which is suppose to activate your chakra and bring you to self-realization)without any effort on the receivers part!Is that what Yogananda preached....
    A guru is a ladder which brings you to the ultimate one...I dont understand why people sings his kirtans and do his aarthis...When you go on his website you find similar things like Sai Baba...Golden Lingam...Materialisations...Vibhuti...lots of talks on love...picures which are sold and so on.The quest of spirituality is misunderstood by many people nowadays especilly in the west where these Gurus find their Nest!We are the one who tolerate these kind of people...who uses spirituality for their own benefit and it is the duty of every true seeker to STOP THEM.

     
  • At 9:24 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Is is disgusting to see how these so Called Swamis Like Vishwananda is getting the praise of people.Sometimes i asked if there is justice in this world.People who know the truth and want to exposed them are judged and considered as "Rawan" or "Judas". Vishwananda is like a king(Rawan)who has disciples...ashrams...luxuries...and who is enjoying his life fully and God is not acting against it.He proclaimed to be Sri Paramahansa Yogananda Reincarnation.I think its the easiest way to get large number of people...just proclaim yourself to be a reincarnation of a Master...Learn some magic tricks...Grow your hair...and become rich!Very Good Bussiness...Low investment...large profit.I would like your opinion on that...

     
  • At 10:21 AM, Blogger Sheen said…

    VISHWANANDA UPDATE - Potentially big news:

    Came across this website on a yogananda chat page:
    http://www.wie.org/j21/babaji.asp?page=4

    Scroll further down the article which reveals that Haidakhan Babaji mentioned that Yogananda had reincarnated as a WOMAN living in South Africa!!!

    For further comments please see Vishwananda Shenanigans blog:
    http://vishwananda-shenanigans.blogspot.com/

     
  • At 10:21 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    I THINK GOD IS STARTING TO WORK IN OUR FAVOUR...ANOTHER STUNNING NEWS ABOUT YOGANANDA'S REINCARNATION...I HAVE READ FROM A BOOK BY KRIYANANDA "THE PATH OF A YOGI"..BUT I'M NOT TOO SURE OF THE TITLE..IN THIS BOOK THERE WAS QUESTIONS ASKED BY DISCIPLES TO YOGANANDA...IF HE WILL REINCARNATE...AND HIS ANSWER WAS YES AND HE WILL BE REINCARNATED AS A WOMAN IN HIS NEXT BIRTH!!!MORE NEWS ABOUT VISHWANANDA THAT PEOPLE WILL BE SHOCKED TO LEARN...

     
  • At 9:44 AM, Blogger Sheen said…

    On Kriyananda's book, are you referring to this one:
    http://www.ananda.org/inspiration/books/path/contents.html

    I read a little of it some time ago, specifically the chapter on reincarnation but did not come across Yogananda knowing he would return as a woman!?

     
  • At 10:53 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    I'm completely sure about what I rEad from Kriyananda's book.Will try to send it to you by mail..Anyway i know some ex devotees of Vishwananda;got rings and other materialiseD objects...Guess what? these identical rings are sold in India and its written silver on it.I ask people why aT his younger age the Great Swami Vishwananda used to materialise Sathya Sai Baba rings and pendants!he was supposed to be in Samadhi at the age of 14!what happend at that time.Samadhi is the state of true yoga, in which the meditator and the object of meditation are one.We have all got a warning after knowing the truth on Sai Baba...But still people are being fooled by these great actors(sorry swamis:)

     
  • At 11:29 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Here is Yogananda own words on his next birth(he didnt mentioned he will reincarnate in woman but his next birth will be in 200yrs atfer his death;I wonder what Vishwanada will say on that!!!)

    These informations are from Aananda and Swami Kriyananda who is a direct disciple of yogananda)

    http://www.ananda.org/inspiration/books/path/38.html

    "His next life on earth, Master told us, would be spent in the Himalayas. Having devoted so much of his present life to public service, he planned to remain for many years of that incarnation in deep seclusion. "In my later years," he told us, "I will gather about me those who are close to me now." To most of his close women disciples he said, "You will come as men in that life." Only to Mrs. Brown, as far as I know, did he say that she would come again as a woman. Two hundred years would elapse, he told us, before his next incarnation..."

    Judge by yourself!!!

     
  • At 9:14 AM, Blogger Sheen said…

    Thanks for info...yes, also read the next reincarnation to be 200 years, but also believe that 'will of God' can change - personally think it was very informative about the messages from Haidakhan Babaji which are probably the safest to go by.

    As for Vishwananda, from one way or the other, his case is waning very very thin.....one wonders if general opinions of him have started to shift with so much of feedback!?

     
  • At 2:17 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

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  • At 3:56 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    I met Vishwananda and spent some time with him and he made quite impression on me. He was sweet, humble, ready te help... there was so nice energy around him, certain peace and loving presence of something very nice. There was nothing negative whatsoever around him and he seems to be innocent like a kid and very kind.

    ON the other hand he has no teaching. What he preach is childish, basically "love all serve all" stuff. There is lack of depth. There is lack of techniques. There is lack of wisdom. He is running around and giving darshans (he thinks he is avatar), giving a jewlery to people and speaks with them about their problems. It is sai baba routine. Sai baba at least has teaching.

    There is no trace of spirit of Yoganada in him. Yoganada was deep. He was wise and complete. He was speaking with poetic english deep thruths based on scriptures and his experience. This person speaks very poor english and basically slogans.

    Yoganada was stern yogi he was follower of patanjali path.

    This person is placing himself in a center. Yoganada always placed god in centar and was very serious about sadhana. Vishwanada is watering everything and his claim is that nothing have to be done because God is reachable without effort.

    That is not yogananda. Yogananda is: cry and cry and practice very seriously and than surely god will come.


    He gave me some jewellery and hint that he will save me. Due his incredible sweetnes kindness and telepathic abilites as well abilities to influence on heart chakra of people I was atracted.
    Thank you for this blog because it helped me to clear up my thoughts.

     
  • At 11:29 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Thank you for your blog.
    I had the same exprerience as stated in the last comment with vishwananda. I met him not so long ago in my quest for true wisdom.I was attracted by his presence and his darshan.

    Was extremely happy to hear also that he was the reincarnation of yogananda.Followed him for some months attending his darshan and kirtans.But i was very upset as there was no teaching on his part. He is always smiling and telling love all and god is within you.
    I had a private interview also and i got some jewellery from him.Told him about my quest on spirituality and my interest in learning sanskrit and other sadhana.To my big surprise,he told me not to do any sadhana,just his presence will give me self realisation!!!

    I asked him several questions about some shatras and vedas,he could not reply.

    I am sure he is using these tricks,like jewellery to attract people and to make a name in the west.

    After learning so much about him through your blog, I thank God that i letf him without loosing too much of my time and my money.

     
  • At 9:22 AM, Blogger Sheen said…

    Last few comments have been very revealing on the nature of Vishwananda especially on his lack of substance in his supposed teachings - spiritual growth is far from simple as we are all complex beings.

    Quoting from the previous comment - "To my big surprise,he told me not to do any sadhana,just his presence will give me self realisation!" - this is just the kind of absurd statement that can lure people who are desiring greater upliftment but don't have the necessary knowledge - guess if one feels he/she may be a suggestible person, one does need to be much more careful.

     
  • At 6:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Dear Sheen,

    I am an ex disciple of Vishwananda and besides his declining popularity many people are still being blind by his sweet words and tricks.I have created a new blog with some solid information of Vishwananda's true biography, and many experinces of ex devotees and some information about Satya Sai Baba and him and i encourage many people in Switzerland, England and Mauritius to come and help us in showing his true colors.
    Here is he new blog;
    http://vishwanandatruecolors.blogspot.com/

     
  • At 6:01 AM, Blogger mathew said…

    Dear Sheen,

    I am an ex disciple of Vishwananda and besides his declining popularity many people are still being blind by his sweet words and tricks.I have created a new blog with some solid information of Vishwananda's true biography, and many experinces of ex devotees and some information about Satya Sai Baba and him and i encourage many people in Switzerland, England and Mauritius to come and help us in showing his true colors.
    Here is the new blog;
    http://vishwanandatruecolors.blogspot.com/

     
  • At 8:56 AM, Blogger Sheen said…

    Hi, thanks for the info - have had a quick look at your blog and am really glad for your update - it verifies alot of what people have already been saying.

    Very strongly feel that those acquainted with Vishwananda will be the ones to put him in his place. Look forward to your feedback.

     
  • At 12:12 PM, Blogger mathew said…

    Hi Sheen,

    Hey nice seeing you on my blog...
    Have contacted some of his ex followers also in uk; got some amazing details about this freak.Some ex closed disciples also mentioned that his materialisations are all fake.One thing that i don't understand after having some solid proof about satya sai baba that he is fake and is a pedophile and about his fake materialisation...Why is people still following Vishwananda,he is doing the same tricks,why does he turn his palm down making some movements like a magician and then showing vibhutis or other stuff...Why does'nt he create something with his palm up for ervyone to see!Vishwnanda was very closed to satya sai baba,being born hindu he got baptised into chritian...why???If Satya Sai Baba is fake then for sure Vishwananda is also.I don't understand people still going to meet this cheap guy!!!

     
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  • At 8:47 AM, Blogger Sheen said…

    Copying New Update as posted on the Vishwananda Shenanigans blog:

    As the growing number of sources regarding the truth of Vishwananda and the like is well on the horizon, I have some further information to consider. Notably the fact is that Vishwananda promotes himself as one who embraces all faiths, cultures and race groups. Apparently this is one of the many things where the truth is being stretched as he has proven to be not particularly in favour of those of African or black descent. He fully demonstrates his adherance to the affluent West. Other than the obvious reason of bringing this to attention, a more underlying reason is that Yogananda did have a group of 'African American0 deciples as the following website proves:
    http://www.yoganandaafrican-american.com/

    I am not a personal supporter of Yogananda and I don't thing he was politically astute but I cannot accuse him of being prejudiced in the time that he lived. Hopefully for the supporters of someone like Vishwananda, they do have a balanced view of what it means to be all embracing.

     
  • At 11:34 AM, Blogger Mathew said…

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  • At 11:41 AM, Blogger Mathew said…

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  • At 8:51 AM, Blogger Mathew said…

    Hi Sheen and all true seekers... i apologise again with my blog which i'm having problem to post...will create a new one soon and with more interesting updates and facts.

     
  • At 10:18 AM, Blogger Mathew said…

    Hi all...at last the new blog is now online with some updates

    http://vishwanandathetruecolors.blogspot.com/

     
  • At 1:15 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Dear Mr.Sheen,

    I was a follower of Vishwananda when he was baptised into christianity and had several harmful and bad expreinces with him.

    First i want people to know that Vishwananda was very closed to Satya sai baba and is till now doing the same tricks like him.

    When i met vishwananda in uk he already left His guru satya sai baba and was interested into christian faith. As i'm a christian,it was nice to see someone who could have vision of mother mary and stigmata also.

    We went to several churches and he was fully devoted to jesus or just pretending too .He was telling hindu people at that time that only jesus was the way and krishna was only a warrior not god.

    He got baptised also in a place in switzerland.He was collecting lots of Catholic saint's relics...
    He told many people to go and to stole relics in churches as jesus told hims so...
    Many of his followers got serious problems and some of them were in prison for a short period too.

    This was a very harmful expreince for me...

    He is telling people that he is the reincarnation of yogananda...that he was realised and attain samadhi since birth...God is easy to reach without effort.

    If he is so realised till birth as he tells...why did he told people that satya sai baba was god...why did he got baptised while being born hindu...

    He was the darkness in my life...i followed him blindly attracted by his sweet words...

    I really and deeply thank God for showing me the truth.

    Will regularly check your blog...

    ex disciple
    switzerland

     
  • At 12:47 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Hi,

    my blog is now available

    http://vishwanandatruecolors.blog.co.uk/

    Try it now


    Mathew

     
  • At 10:07 AM, Blogger Sheen said…

    Hi, thanks for the further comments - always good to get more updates.

     
  • At 10:24 AM, Blogger Sheen said…

    Another Update from Vishwananda Shenanigans page:

    Although this page has been dedicated to comparing Vishwananda to Sai Baba whom he has been obviously copying, it is worth considering prominent Sai devotees as well who may have alot of influence.

    A couple of examples are taken from reports again from those seeking help regarding Vishwananda and where it was not received.

    http://www.anahata.net/
    The above website is a primary example of prominent Sai members who also strongly follow Vishwananda. Where does Sathya Sai Baba stand on this issue? Will they be able to help those who have had a bad experience with Vishwananda - the obvious answer is 'no'.

    What about some influential Sai devotees who have been 'blessed' with miracles as well as objects for healing - the name Popat has come up. What has been the response for dealing with Vishwananda - an array of conflicting answers but an ultimate acceptance of Vishwananda's group!!

    My personal thoughts are that such devotees may end up giving Sathya Sai Baba (whom I assume they see as their Sat Guru) a questionable reputation.

     
  • At 7:37 AM, Blogger Sheen said…

    Moving off the Vishwananda topic slightly, but still on the same lines is another 'would be' guru under the Sai banner. Some of you may have heard of her esp if you're drawn towards the Sai fold - she goes by the name of Vasantha Sai Ma, an elderly lady claiming to be the reincarnation of 'Radha' and with a following of her own (even though she apparently follows Sai Baba)!!

    Well like Vishwananda, reports about her are more erratic than reputable so best to keep a wary eye on what may seem like a harmless older lady....the reality may be very contrary.

     
  • At 8:16 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Your blogspot is interesting! I 'was' a devotee of Sai Baba for 10 years and visited his ashram a number of times before meeting Vishwananda. I've been fortunate enough to have a close relationship with Vishwananda for the past 4 years. I still have great love and respect for Sai Baba.

    Vishwananda never saw a distinction between Krishna, Jesus, or Babaji, and still does not. All three are represented at his ashram in Germany with equal reverence, and genuine devotion. He never claimed Sathya Sai Baba as his own Guru, but did visit him often in India. He always claimed Mahavatar Babaji to be his Guru. He did, however build a temple in Mauritius to Sai Baba of Shirdi. Shirdi Sai cured Vishwananda of a life-threatening childhood illness. Heck, if Shirdi Sai did that for me I'd build a temple for him too!
    Some devotees always love to talk and speculate about 'great' previous incarnations of their Guru. My experience is that Vishwananda has always discouraged this, and refused to talk about it.
    Vishwananda has never asked me for money, and I've never had to pay for a personal interview, or a darshan. The organisation he set up does ask for donations, like any organisation that has overheads, but never, as far as I know, demanded it.
    Vishwananda's message is simple: Look for God within your own heart, and win God's grace through devotion. This is made easier through love, simplicity and humility.
    I find some of the 'testimonies' in your website quite difficult to believe, and some even hilarious, but then I may be 'brainwashed'?
    I like my clean brain though! And still function as a sane, healthy person in the world, while having an ever deeper and more profound relationship with God through the guidance of my Guru, Vishwananda.
    I've faith that you don't need to be afraid for me.
    Apologies for appauling English, but it's not a sociable time of night. God's blessings and bliss with you all. And try not to create too much tricky karma for yourselves by speaking badly of others. See the good in others, and if you can't say nothing at all. Lots love

     
  • At 12:48 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Yogananda was cleared of the charges that he fathered a child. See the following article:

    Yogananda paternity refuted by DNA tests

    From Los Angeles Times - July 11, 2002

    DNA Clears Yoga Guru in Seven-Year Paternity Dispute

    Results: Separate tests show the yogi didn't father a disciple's son, but the man bringing the charges sticks to his claim.

    By TERESA WATANABE, TIMES STAFF WRITER

    A renowned guru has been cleared by DNA testing of charges that he broke his celibate vows and fathered a child, his Los Angeles headquarters announced Wednesday.

    The announcement marked the latest development in a seven-year paternity dispute involving Paramahansa Yogananda, who was one of the first Indian masters to introduce yoga philosophy to the West 80 years ago. The guru, who died at age 59 in 1952, was accused of having an illicit affair with a married disciple and fathering Ben Erskine, now a 69-year-old Oregon gold miner.

    To conclusively settle the claims, Yogananda's worldwide organization, the Self-Realization Fellowship, hired a former San Diego criminal prosecutor to establish an independent testing process to compare Erskine's DNA to samples taken from Yogananda's three male relatives in India. The results from two separate labs both showed no relationship between Erskine and Yogananda. "For members who revere Paramahansa Yogananda as their profound spiritual guide and guru, the claims were very hurtful and very sad," fellowship spokeswoman Lauren Landress said. "But these results conclusively show there is no truth to them."

    Erskine, informed of the results Wednesday, said he still believed that "Yogananda is my father." His attorney, Shane Reed, said they would review the DNA results to decide whether to proceed with a court request to disinter Yogananda's corpse, buried in Glendale, for further testing.

    At stake was more than the guru's integrity: Any successful paternity action could have led to claims on the assets of Yogananda's spiritual organization, which owns several pieces of prime property, including the flagship Lake Shrine in Pacific Palisades and a hermitage in Encinitas.

    The organization operates more than 500 temples and meditation centers in 178 countries; its members have ranged from the late George Harrison to the famous botanist Luther Burbank. Yogananda initiated such figures as Mahatma Gandhi into kriya yoga and authored such spiritual classics as "Autobiography of a Yogi," which has been translated into 18 languages.

    G. Michael Still, the former San Diego prosecutor who relied extensively on DNA testing in his rape and homicide cases, said the results would prevent Erskine from claiming standing in court to seek any inheritance, copyright assets or the disinterment of the guru's body.

    "In my opinion, this is airtight," said Still, who added that he was not a fellowship member and knew "little to nothing" about the organization before being hired last year to oversee the testing process.

    The dispute first surfaced in 1995 when Erskine's daughter, Peggy, approached the fellowship with the paternity claims and financial demands. Erskine said his mother, Adelaide, had been a disciple and photographer of Yogananda in the late 1920s.

    The miner acknowledged that his mother never told him he was Yogananda's son or that she had been physically intimate with the famed guru. But he said his mother hinted at the "wonderful blood" in his veins and fought constantly with her husband--Erskine's stepfather--over her son's paternity. His stepfather berated her with accusations of an affair with the guru, Erskine said, and called him "the little black bastard" because his complexion was darker than that of his four siblings.

    "It was talked about constantly," Erskine said. "I would have been an imbecile not to know" of the charges.

    The visit by Erskine's daughter prompted a fellowship attorney, Michael Flynn, to initiate the first round of DNA testing on hair samples, which was found inconclusive. A second round of testing on blood samples last July showed no relationship. But Reed and Erskine rejected the results as biased because the blood specimens were collected and sent to the labs by a fellowship monk they claimed could have doctored the samples.

    By this time, the dispute went public with a splashy cover story in a Los Angeles alternative newspaper, fueling efforts by the organization to try to settle the matter once and for all by hiring Still.

    Still said he hired a forensic nurse to collect blood samples from Yogananda's three male relatives living in Calcutta, India. One of them, Biswanath Ghosh, traveled to Los Angeles last year and declared himself "embarrassed and insulted" by the charges. He accused Erskine of fabricating charges in order to cash in on his uncle's assets and fame. "How is this possible?" Ghosh said of the charges. "My uncle was a famous holy man."

    The forensic nurse videotaped and photographed the entire collection process, confirmed the identity of each of the relatives and oversaw the shipment of samples to two laboratories that worked blindly from each other. The two labs compared six Y chromosome markers, which Still said pass unchanged from one male generation to the next. Both concluded that the three Yogananda relatives were related genetically, but that Erskine was not.

    On Wednesday, the organization quietly released the results to its members, beginning with morning meetings for about 60 nuns and 40 monks. Notices were scheduled to be posted at the organization's eight California temples in the evening.

    Members expressed satisfaction that the DNA results appear to have put the matter to rest--but were not surprised that their beloved guru's name would be cleared.

    "As far as I'm concerned, this whole thing was kind of a non-event," said Mike Baake, marketing manager for the group's publication center. "Anyone with any awareness of who Paramahansa Yogananda was knew that story wasn't true. When someone in the world tries to do something good, someone else always wants to pull them down."

     
  • At 4:32 AM, Blogger Sheen said…

    Thanks for the recent comments.

    Regarding comment 48, thanks for your experience and yes, some of my feedback is meant to be 'hilarious'. However on the more serious notes, as I've said before, this particular article seeks to encourage the notion of gurus, particularly Vishwananda. If you have had a good experience with him, good for you! However this is not true for many others - we cannot suggest that they are increasing their karma if speaking against Vishwananda. If you have had a negative or questionable experience, it is in your own best interests to voice them. You may even have an obligation to put them out in order to warn others.
    Understandably, the need to defend one's guru if receiving love from him or her is strong - however what if someone who does not follow this person as a yogi or guru, experiences something negative - what would your advice be to such a person!?

    Regarding the comment on Yogananda fathering a child - very interesting details, have also come across this. It seems it was difficult to find conclusive evidence!

     
  • At 11:42 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Dear Sheen,

    Nice piece of work and shocking experinces from ex disciples.
    Regarding to last few comments,i would like to make a point.
    Vishwananda charges for darshan and private inetviews and its quite expensive.
    I met him in Us last year,the bhajan was nice.
    Many people look for sweet words from Self-Proclaimed Gurus and Miracles.When i had a private interview,i was deceived as his talks was childlish,same like sai baba "god is within you,search it".i will help you

    By the grace of God i have met my Guru who lives in secrecy in Calcutta india who is a direct disciple of Mahamuni Babaji.
    I talk to him about vishwananda(reincarnation of Yogananda).

    His answer was clear:
    Actually there are many self-proclaimed Gurus who attracts large number of people to increase their fame and bank account and uses Mahamuni Babaji as their Guru to get more credibility.

    Mahamuni Babaji message is clear,he doesn't permit his disciple to build an organization and to gather crowds.
    His discples are secret Gurus living in India and around the world,living a normal life and who teaches kriya yoga in secret to deserving disciples. Lahiri Ji and Mahamuni Babaji insited that a Household lifestyle is best way for a balanced and spiritual life.

    There are some points to know is a Guru is fake or Genuine:

    A true master do not build organization,do not permit adoration from disciples,do not show siddhis or magic tricks,do not travel around to market their products,to not charge for money.

     
  • At 11:44 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    You can more here about Mahamuni Babaji and the modified Kriya


    http://www.sanskritclassics.com/yogananda.htm

     
  • At 11:52 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    “The great Master [Lahiri Mahasay] lived his sublime life in partial seclusion, and steadfastly refused to permit his followers to build any organization around the teachings.” Autobiography of a Yogi, by Paramhansa Yogananda, 1979 Paperback edition, page 339.

    “Only when one receives Kriya from the mouth of a permitted teacher [since the Kriya initiation is a matter of Guruvaktragamya – learning from the living lips of a Guru], one receives actual Kriya initiation [diksha], otherwise, one simply receives Kriya information [and not Kriya initiation] from the unpermitted person or representative of some organization [which are prohibited by Mahamuni Babaji and Lahiri Mahasay.]” - Mahamuni Babaji

     
  • At 11:54 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Why did Mahamuni Babaji and Lahiri Mahasay prohibit starting organizations?

    Simply because founding spiritual organizations is wrong. Spiritual organizations never help a true seeker in his meditation. A spiritual organization is a social medicine for socializing. It renders disservice to honest seekers and makes them more confused regarding their performing Niskam Karma (Kriya), or “practicing Kriya without attachment to its results.”

    Many of them fall victim to the organizations. The simple-minded honest seekers do not know how to protect themselves from the aggressive recruiting techniques of the organization. Yogananda was fully aware of Mahamuni Babaji’s and Lahiri Mahasay’s injunction not to start organizations around the teachings of Kriya, which he admitted in his book:

    “The great Master [Lahiri Mahasay] lived his sublime life in partial seclusion, and steadfastly refused to permit his followers to build any organization around the teachings.” Autobiography of a Yogi, Paramhansa Yogananda, 1979 paperback edition, p. 339
    If starting “spiritual organizations” were the right thing to do, then the ancient yogis and sages could have started many organizations, but they did not for obvious reasons.

     
  • At 12:02 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Vishwananda created the Bhakti Marga Organization(groups of celibates)and is going against Mahamuni Babaji's teachings:

    "Lahiri Mahasay, the principal disciple of Mahamuni Babaji in the Kriya Yoga discipline, praised the household lifestyle, above all lifestyles, as being best suited to stabilize the seeker in a balanced, righteous way."

    "The household lifestyle, not the renunciate way of organized religion, is upheld as the best way for the seeker to stabilize his life in a righteous way."

    "The idea of adopting a renunciate lifestyle and living in a hermitage is itself a temptation and attachment."

    "In the hermitage, the seeker’s efforts are polluted in a subtle way by dependence on donations."

    "If I dress myself with red clothes [like a tantrik] or orange [like a Swami]and pretend to be a Sadhu, Sage, then I have become perverted and a liar. If I do not according to the natural couse then I have become perverted. If I violate the rules of nature then I act against nature. Then many diseases will attack me and my pains will increase."

    SWAMI SATYESWARANANDA VIDYARATNA BABAJI
    direct disciple of Mahamuni in the Himalayas

     
  • At 10:35 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

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  • At 5:38 AM, Blogger Sheen said…

    Hi, regarding the last comment - could you send your blog address again as it does not seem available. Thanks.

     
  • At 11:55 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    I don't believe! it hurts my heart to hear such things: "Swami Vishwananda is going against Babaji's teachings.." what BULL****! I'm sorry but i'd like to see a hands up for You who ACTUALLY MET Swami Vishwananda, and THEN we can talk.

    <3

     
  • At 12:53 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Regarding the last comment,i would like to tell something.

    Vishwanda is a big liar,his biography has been completely modified to make him appear like a Godmen.He was a follower of satya sai baba for many years,doing the same tricks like him.He build a Satya sai temple and still now activities are still going,he left his disciples with no hope.He then was baptised in christian faith(while being born hindu.
    He got several problems(many of his disciples too) with catholic authorities and a court case in switzerland.He then created his own branch.
    He is 100 % going against Mahamuni Babaji Golden Rules...

    1.The great Master Babaji Doesnt permit his disciples to build ashrams.
    2.Babaji disciples lives in secrecy and teaches the Holy Kriya yoga only to deserving disciples
    3.Babaji and Lahiriji and Sri Krisha coinfirmed and insist that a Married lifestyle is the best for spritual life.
    4.Babaji's diciples does'nt auto proclaim themselves,living in luxury ashrams,travelling around the world,selling their photos or cds and doesnt' show any siddhis.
    5.Babaji lives in supreme secrecy and sprituality is not show!!!

    Due to his sweet words many people are being fooled by him.

    Unfornately western people only believes that love is everything,attracted by sweet words of these self-proclaimed Gurus.

     
  • At 4:38 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    To all sincere Seekers:

    In traditional Indian (and Tibetan) society, the Guru is an important part of that culture. And even there it is very rare to find a True Guru. But when this sociotype is transplanted to the West, things become very different. The guru has tremendous power and wealth, and there is often emotional and financial abuse, as well as explicate sexual advantage taken of young female and male disciples. This whole ugly phenomena started with the Beatles' flirtation with Mahesh Maharishi (of TM fame). Prior to him there were only a few gurus in the West, like Vivikananda and Yogananda, and they only had only a small following. It was more like the traditional Indian arrangement. With the Beatles and Maharishi there began the phenomenon of the pop-guru or big-business mass-market guru, or cult guru, where an oriental teacher who may or may not be sincere (my feeling is that most of them are sincere, at least at the beginning) is put in a position of extraordinary power and adulation over a large number of disciples.

    Often these gurus claim vast spiritual status. They say they are an Avatar or a Sadguru. Nowadays there are so many gurus, each claiming to be the avatar of our age. This is part of the weakness of our society. People in the West are like gullible sheep looking for someone to lead them. I have encountered first hand a fake guru who calls himself Swamiji, no more enlightened than you or I, yet considered Sadguru by himself(?) and his followers. His followers are doe-eyed professional people and a few more alternative types. He claims to be a tantric teacher. He almost certainly takes advantage of his female disciples. He is certainly not a bad man, an evil man., Just someone who has let all the adulation go to his head. This is a story that is tragically all too common in the spiritual supermarket. I have recently witnessed the same thing in the case of universalist philosopher Ken Wilber, who has made the transition from intellectual ("pandit") to (fake) guru.

    Because placing trust in a Guru is such a huige commitment, a false guru can be deadly. So many people face spiritual shipwreck because of their devotion to impure gurus who then abuse their trust. The only way you can tell if a guru is genuine is by looking at them with total sincerity, and listening to the small voice of your own inner light. Total absolute sincerity. If there is anything that makes you uneasy, anything at all, get out of there! Even so it may take several meetings before you notice the fakery. Some signs are

    asking for monetary donations(workshops)
    claiming to give you Enlightenment at a touch (darshan)
    making sexual advances
    indulging in drugs
    lying
    making false claims (e.g. Chimnoy faked being able to life 3 tonnes)
    living in ostentateous surroundings, and/or demanding huge gifts from their disciples to support their lifestyle
    psychologically manipulating their disciples
    Saying things that even in the slightest make you feel uneasy
    showing miracles.

    ONLY FOOLS WILL FOLLOWER A FOOL LIKE VISHWANANDA

     
  • At 6:31 AM, Blogger Sheen said…

    Appreciate the above comment - the psyche of the 'guru' as well as the followers need to be taken into account.

     
  • At 9:51 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Vishwananda was not only close to Sai Baba(accused of Rape,Pedophilie,Fake Miracles,six murders),but to Swami Premanada also.Premananda who was convicted on several counts of rape, possession of unathourized foreign exchange and a single count of murder and is in prison right now.

    Vishwananda visited Premanda's ashram on 2 and 3 August 2003

    http://www.sripremananda.org/Nederlands/Prema_Namaskaram__nederlands/PNNsept2003.htm

    If some of you who do not know Premananda,here is a short story about him:

    "Premananda is the monastic name for a self-styled godman Prem Kumar who previously ran an Ashram in the Thiruchirapalli district of Tamil Nadu, India until his conviction on multiple counts of rape and murder in 1997.However, allegations concerning his inappropriate behavior towards the girls in the Asharam soon surfaced. After a thorough investigation in 1997, he was convicted on several counts of rape, possession of unathourized foreign exchange and a single count of murder. Six others including an elderly uncle of Premananda, Mayilvaganam Pakkirisamy, were co-accused in the case. Pakkirisamy was sentenced to life in prison but died in 2001. Premananda is currently serving a double life sentence."

     
  • At 9:57 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Here is the link to the Official website of Premananda which reveals Vishwananda's Visit to his ashram:

    www.sripremananda.org/
    Nederlands/Prema_Namaskaram__nederlands/
    PNNsept2003.htm

     
  • At 6:08 AM, Blogger Sheen said…

    ppreciate the recent updates - think that pretty much sums it up -all is revealed in the company one keeps!!

    On another note, have been searching again for some interesting stuff and came across this site with some thoughts on the various 'avatars'; specifically Sai Baba and Babaji.

    Here's part of the section:

    "I was musing over these anecdotes while cleaning the library one day when I found a book about Satya Sai Baba, the South Indian master so famous for materializing objects from the air. The book said that in 1963, before an audience of thousands, Sai Baba healed himself of a serious illness following an eight-day coma. He revealed that he was an incarnation of both Shiva and his consort Shakti, saying he'd been fulfilling an ancient prophecy that foretold the pair would reincarnate and undergo just such an eight-day illness.

    That night I mentally asked Babaji to clear up the issue -- just who was this Shiva anyway? The next day a young Englishman stopped by the ashram library where I was cleaning the books. He told me the story of the time he and a group of devotees had gone to Delhi, where Babaji had been asked to perform a purifying fire ceremony by the temple prophets of the Book of Bhrighu. This book, he said, was one of the wonders of India, a series of ancient book leaves in a barely translatable tongue that would tell the names and needs of any visitor who happened to come to the temple -- even up to the present day. It seems the Book had presented a spontaneous reading one day, recommending that a little-known saint from the village of Herakhan be called to perform a Vedic fire ritual.

    And when Babaji arrived, the Englishman said, the prophets found his name in the book and read the following: "Shiva has returned to us, manifest in three forms: Shiva alone, in that sadhu there," the priests indicated a white-bearded holy man watching them from the corner. "And Shiva and Shakti together in Satya Sai Baba, and as Nataraj, the dancing Shiva of destruction, in the form of this young guru, Herakhan Baba."

    Judge for yourself. The link is:
    http://www.babaji.net/teachings-interview.htm

     
  • At 8:20 AM, Blogger Sheen said…

    Vishwananda Update - WARNING

    OK, so things have definitely become very serious regarding Visham over the last few months and everyone following this should heed a serious warning after his proven connection to Premananda.

    The other seriously questionable connection that he has is to one Sri Padma Ananda or Vishnudeva Sarasvati (alias the Sex Guru). This is genuine as a UK media article once interviewed. Incoming information is that Vishwananda is very friendly as well to this 'guru' who is reputed to have slept with countless woman and (as one of his articles suggests) may also condone rape. Website is:

    http://siddha.loka.tripod.com/biography.htm

    Please consider carefully any dealings with Vishwananda to those of you who follow him.

     
  • At 10:06 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Hi Sheen,

    Thank for the Warning Info,
    I'm from Us,visit Vishwananda many times,there is something kind of strange with this Guy.
    He is definately imitating satya sai baba in terms of miracles.
    He was closed to Sai Baba for a long time,i did some research in Mauritius.
    He visited Premananda and now another sex guru...
    I'm trying to convinced my family and friends not to fall into the trap of this fake Guru.
    I've been at his Mudra workshop wich is not worth the money you have to pay.(the mudra poses which he teaches is easily available on the net and many books).
    His talk are childlish,coying completely on sai baba's teachings,love all serve all stuff.
    If is was so easy to reach god without effort as he tells,why are we here!!!

     
  • At 7:41 AM, Anonymous Sheen said…

    Hi, yes his links to suspicious swamis is making his intentions or malpractice very obvious.

    I think that his the followers who blindly adore him are under some genuine brainwashing.

    Thanks

     
  • At 2:51 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    VISHWANANDA THE FAKE GURU!!!PART 1

    My main concern for created this article was to help some close friends to clear up their mind about Vishwananda true and shocking past.
    Will regularly post my fist article on this blog shortly....

     
  • At 10:39 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Normally, when a person of intelligence makes an important or unlikely claim, they provide evidence in the form of citations or proof of some kind. I'm wondering why there is no such back-up provided for the claims that Vishwananda and/or some followers were imprisoned, or that he has had "close" relationships with questionable characters. So, he visited Premananda's ashram once. So what? Is that evidence of closeness? Also, as I understand it, Premananda's guilt is controversial. How can we know without really, deeply looking into the various reports and the strength of the sources? In such cases, I like to look to the topic, not the gossip.

    I could just as easily write that the owner of this blog is really a space alien, bent on undermining the spritiual development of this planet so that it can be more easily conquered - no, really - I heard it from someone who knows. I'm not saying that any of these accusations are untrue - just that bandying about vague and emotionally charged accusations without citations or at least intelligent analysis isn't going to get anyone closer to the truth, whatever that is.

    Also wondering why the grammar and usage of those repeating these vague accusations is so poor. Is English the second language in every case, or are some of these people just not very smart or educated, and easily roused by angry gossip?

    So, as you might have guessed, I have met Vishwananda and so far like him. Naturally, I'm alert to being mislead (by anyone, not just gurus) and interested in keeping my head. However, I will say that most of his teachings in fact occur on the inner level. One has to be able to introspect deeply in order to really get them. I believe that all true spiritual teachers teach by direct transmission, even when using a lot of words. Many of them admit that the words are simply a way to hold the attention while the transmission accompanying them is received (no citation, but I can say that I've recently heard Swami Nithyananda say it).

    Also, he's never said to me or anyone I know that effort is not required. He does prescribe a lot of sadhana. He doesn't charge for darshans, nor claim that they alone will lead to enlightenment. There is a requested donation for interviews and darshans; but it's not required.

    Further, how is it in any way improper for a lover of God to proclaim that all true religions are equal? Ramakrishna said the same thing; having tested sexual tantra, Hinduism, Christianity, Buddhism, and Islam, he stated that each of those paths, sincerely practiced, will lead one to God. It's a small mind which mistakes the path for the goal.

     
  • At 10:41 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    ps....I forgot to add to my last post that I find it very odd that so many people seem to quote from Mahavatar Babaji, as if they have definite knowledge of his activities or statements. I thought the whole thing about him was that he only appears to very high yogis. So, only a very few people would know what he has and hasn't said. People, none of us know anything about him. Let's leave it at that.

     
  • At 7:21 AM, Blogger Sheen said…

    Well I am definitely a space alien but we'll leave that discussion for another day!!

    While I'm trying to avoid repeating myself on the links between Vishwananda and followers of Sai Baba which was the basis for questions surrounding him, I can say that I have definitely seen a charge of darshans in the past on him US page. That seems to not be the case at the moment and maybe he is taking heed of the comments on some of these pages.

    However he does charge fees for his US workshops which perhaps should also be on donation basis - I will leave you to be the judge of this as my opinion is that spriritual instruction should be easily accessible to everyone not just to those who can afford the extra costs.......

    http://www.vishwananda.us/eventflyers.aspx

    http://www.vishwananda.us/ScottsdaleWorkshopRegistratonForm.pdf

    Also a word on apparent support for Premananda - remember that he has already been convicted so there is nothing really to consider as controversial.

    But nonetheless respect that you are entitled to your opinions without direct proof being provided to you.
    If you are receptive to Sai Baba, would suggest you chat to some of his followers from UK and Mauritius who have known Visham over the years.

     
  • At 5:06 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Hi again,

    I'm not receptive to Sai Baba. And, I'm not sure how Vishwananda would be in any way implicated in Sai Baba's failings if he: a) left him and b) associates with others who have left him. Isn't leaving someone generally a sign of disapproval?

    Also not supportive of Premananda, just pointing out that a) a two day visit is not evidence of a close relationship and b) I don't claim to have any knowledge about his actual guilt, conviction notwithstanding. I say that because I took the time, long ago, not because of Vishwananda, but out of curiosity, to google up as much as I could on it. There's a load of opinion on both sides. Without really looking into it, one has to admit that it is possible, not necessarily the case though, that he was framed, as they say.

    It's not the intent to share your concerns that I am reacting against, quite the opposite. Open communication is important: It's the weakness of the accusatory statements which seems to indicate a total lack of credibility or responsibility which I find contradicts the implied purpose of increasing awareness of the truth.

    Frankly, the quality of this discussion could be improved by less knee-jerk emotionalism and more sharing of facts.

    Rather than appologizing for anyone, I'm trying to encourage the posters and you, Sheen, to step up to the challenge of this important issue and do your best to be clear and truthful, not just vague and judgemental.

     
  • At 8:26 AM, Blogger Sheen said…

    To the above comment:
    If you are not receptive to his Sai Baba links, then you are unlikely to believe any of the information that has come forth. I myself have been highly inclined towards Sathya Sai but have since had reason to question many things as I have elaborated in the original article. However I am still receptive to Sai Baba although I accept that there are many inconsistencies surrounding him. My personal introduction to Vishwananda is through his Sathya Sai connection so I have had to assess the situation with that as a basis. The reality is that Vishwananda was posing as a Sai devotee in his earlier days and that is the person that I was encouraged towards.

    Without all the information that has since come about, my understanding of Visham is that he has given no indication of why he left Sai Baba as many people would like to know. He is also a very young man to be courting so much of controversy even before he has reached 30 - ideally he should really be consolidating himself with greater maturity on what people need and are looking for in thier personal development. Furthermore there are some Sai people who have prominent roles in the Sai organisation who strongly support Vishwananda which creates further controversies; notably you also acknowledge that Visham disapproves of Sathya Sai. I invite you to look at this web page:
    http://www.anahata.net/

    Regarding sharing of the facts, I've done my best to put forward information in a sesitive way that is in no way harmful to the people who may have reason to fear being targetted. That remains a primary objective and you are welcome to your opinions here but I cannot change this as peoples safety and anonymity come first. I can also say that some authorities have been informed but I also stress that this in not a policing page as I am not (as an individual) equipped for that - let those in charge do their work and the rest of us just contribute where we can. Hope this clarifies my position a bit further.

     
  • At 12:07 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Sheen,

    Our last three entries provide a perfect example of the kind of muddy thinking I am trying to draw your attention to.

    First you said:
    "If you are receptive to Sai Baba, would suggest you chat to some of his followers from UK and Mauritius who have known Visham over the years."

    Second, I said:
    "I'm not receptive to Sai Baba."

    Third, you said:
    "If you are not receptive to his Sai Baba links, then you are unlikely to believe any of the information that has come forth."

    Do you see what I'm getting at? You sort of slid sideways and changed the topic, in the middle of the exchange, then retroactively attributed your second meaning to my previous statement.

    Being receptive to Sai Baba means being receptive to him, as a person or a teacher...which I'm not.

    Being "receptive to his Sai Baba links" actually makes no sense, grammatically, but I'm pretty sure you mean being willing to consider the fact that he has them and perhaps listen to what those people have to say. In that regard, I am open to the facts and hearing others' opinions. In fact, I do know some of those people, and they say a lot of things. None of the ones I know have said that they think Vishwananda is a copycat or a fake, but there are undoubtedly others with other opinions.

    Initially, I had gathered that you were more or less anti-guru yoga. I missed that you are a Sai Baba devotee. I’m a little confused by the reaction of the “copycat” claimants. I mean, if a person can inspire people and happens to have siddhis, and if some of the stylistic points are similar to someone they knew when they were young, so what? I don’t get the point. Maybe you can enlighten me on that one.

    Regarding your continuing receptivity to Sai Baba, despite "inconsistencies", as you say, aren't you at all concerned or swayed by the prevalent sexual abuse allegations? I find it strange that you have it in for a guy against whom there is so little, if any, evidence, while continuing to follow a guy against whom there is mounting, documented, evidence.

    There is a key difference between your vague complaints about Vishwananda and the substantial body of allegations against Sai Baba….that key difference is that many individuals have made clear, detailed complaints, and given their names. This type of complaint can be taken seriously, especially in numbers. Here are some examples I’ve found (here, I am following my own advice and providing evidence for claims I’ve made by giving citations):

    “In 1970 a book by Tal Brooke titled "Lord of the Air" later renamed "Avatar of Night," told the story of a devoted disciple's disillusionment upon learning of Sai Baba's sexual appetite.”

    “UNESCO yanked its co-sponsorship of an education conference in India linked to Sai Baba and stated it was ‘deeply concerned about widely reported allegations of sexual abuse involving youths and children that have been leveled at the leader of the movement in question, Sathya Sai Baba.’”

    “After Conny Larsson, a Swedish actor went public about his coerced sexual relations with the guru; the Sai Organization in Sweden was shut down.”

    “Former Sai Baba leaders such as Swedish psychotherapist and former film star, Conny Larsson, who says the guru regularly performed oral sex on him and asked for it in return. Sai Baba was said to have claimed he was simply correcting Larsson's inner "kundalini" energy.”

    “David Bailey, a Welshman who had risen high in Sai Baba's inner circle, fell away after hearing numerous accounts of how young men's sessions with Sai Baba, which started out as purported sexual healing, eventually turned into molestation. Bailey has been compiling the stories, called the Findings, on a Web site.”

    “Marc-Andre St. Jean said in an interview from Montreal that when he was 19 and had a private session with Sai Baba, the guru pointed at his genitals and said, "Something slow."
    Although St. Jean didn't know what Sai Baba was talking about at the time, he said the guru then "asked me to drop my pants. He made a materializing motion with his hand and there was cream on it. He applied it to my scrotum." St. Jean thought at the time the event was not sexual -- but more like "going to the doctor" for what he found out was a urinary infection -- but St. Jean has since quit the group after hearing and believing the mounting allegations of molestation.
    St. Jean, now 29, remains bemused. "The charisma of Sai Baba is incredible," he says. “The love was flowing from him. All this still bothers me a lot. It's scary.’"

    "I know Sai Baba has done sexual things," says Ann Jevons, 62. Ann and David, 65, acknowledged in an article for their newsletter that Sai Baba can show less interest in adults such as themselves and more interest in children and young people in general -- showering them with rings and watches that he mysteriously materializes out of nowhere.
    But Jevons thinks sexual healing is a good thing, because "there is a kundalini point between the anus and the genitals, where human energy starts." It is totally understandable, she says, that a saint would want to help people by curing disruptions in the flow of such a crucial life force.”

    As for the last point, I knew a normal, everyday guy who had trained in “Pranic Healing”. He demonstrated publicly once, on a stranger, that he could cause a woman to have an orgasm in under two minutes simply by moving her energy, from several feet away – no touching required. If he could do that, an avatar can promote any kind of healing without touching, too.

    The quotations were from:

    http://www.rickross.com/reference/saibaba/saibaba6.html

     
  • At 7:40 AM, Blogger Sheen said…

    Hi, I think the first thing I have to ask is whether you've read my original article in full which was written a year ago. It was impossible to predict then that Visham would generate so much of debate - if you've read the 'Sathya Sai Copycats' blog, I've mentioned to him that I was a staunch Sai follower, but since had reason to question him as well hence partial inspiration to write this page. However questioning Sai Baba does not mean that I 'dislike' him - it just means that certain things warrant some investigation. As I also said in my original article, I respect the humanitarian activities that have been initiated by him such as a state-of-the-art hospital with free health care, free education etc etc. I also except some authentic miracles through him some of which I have been witness to. But this has been part of my own personal journey and not really part of this subject since miracles are known to appear throughout all religions globally.

    Vishwananda is not part of my spiritual journey however but nonetheless has generated alot of controversy at a young age without proving himself as a great humanitarian and yogi. Why he has grown to dislike Sai Baba is a mystery to me personally as well as others. If you've read some earlier comments you will know that I've also been to a couple of Visham's services some years back out of curiousity. I was a committed Sai follower at the time. I don't disregard the information you've brought up regarding Sathya Sai - it was part of my motivation to start this page but I remain on a spiritual quest myself and may have reason to question things seriously as find answers as part of the process. I really can't go into my own spiritual journey here - would take too much time and may bore you.

    However, I also write as a woman - I am not receptive to 'sexual healing' although I would be happy to discuss this with a 'female' yogi - this holds true for the majority of women. Also in my orignial article, I refer mainly to women who have been the target of much of the malpractice. I maintain that even an Avatar does not have the right to interfere with basic human dignity especially with women and children alike. Sai Baba remains a personl journey of questioning for me as I am receptive to him still being an Avartar - then again he has no right to show malpractice.

    There is no question with Vishwananda however - nothing about him has personally impressed me and I have heard more than enough disturbing information that would put me off him completely.

     
  • At 2:47 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Well, my point, which is that although there are many documented allegations against Sai Baba, there are none against Vishwananda that I know of. If there are, as I've asked above, then please share your information. I'm not defending him; I'm asking for something real. How does it help you, me, or anyone else to spout vague nonsense about hearsay? It just isn't a solid foundation for an argument against someone.

    Without any actual allegations, and combined with your still positive attitude about Sai Baba, and the silliness of the "copycat" accusations, this all comes across as just sour grapes.

    You said:

    "Vishwananda....nonetheless has generated alot of controversy at a young age without proving himself as a great humanitarian and yogi."

    Ok. So, please provide citations for the alleged controversy. Or, if you can't, because it's not published, at least relate some of it. The copycat thing is just silly. That's like saying that Christian miracle performing saints are copycats of each other, because they all dress similarly, belong to religious orders, and do the same kinds of miracles.....That's because they're from the same tradition. Geez. Is there anything else, controversy-wise?

    I'm also a woman. I'm not sure how that figures in, here. Inappropriate touching is just that, gender aside.

    I do know one woman who, according to some hearsay I've encountered, claimed that Vishwananda approached her sexually. I knew this woman before she met him, and I always thought she seemed very unstable, needy and phony.

    Before meeting Vishwananda, she had become involved with a guru from Singapore calling herself "Amma", claiming to be an incarnation of the Pratyangira form of Kali (not to be confused with Ammachi, from India). This woman has a reputation for very ordinary, shall we say, behavior - not the kind of thing you'd expect from a divine emanation.

    During the time that she liked Vishwananda, this devotee told me a story about following him back to his room one night around the time when she had first met him and waiting in a line of people who had been invited to speak with him after a program. When she came up, at the end of the line, he asked, "Were you invited?". She admitted that she had followed the others up, and he let her in. After a few minutes of talking, he got up to let her out. She asked for a hug, and he refused.

    That was it. She seemed sheepish about having asked for the hug and been refused, but seemed to understand it. She'd been an Ammachi devotee in the past and was used to hugging. I believed her story, sensing sincerity. But, if you think about it, the fact that she would ask a male guru for a hug in a private room after a program rather points to her lack of good judgment. On other occasions, I observed some unusual emotional behaviors in her.

    She arranged to travel to Singapore while Vishwananda was there, in order to be able to see both him and this Amma woman. After that, she stuck with Amma, dropped any association with Vishwananda and others she'd known through his and other spiritual groups, and began to tell the above story with a different slant.

    Since I had already thought she was unstable, and I had a pretty low opinion of that Amma person and her shenanigans, as I understood them, it seemed likely to me that the second version was a lie.

    I tell that story to illustrate that there are a lot of loonies in the "spiritual" world. Their motives and methods can't be taken at face value. We've all had the experience of a nutty acquaintance spinning an event to make others look bad, because they are confused or feeling sorry for themselves or see some other advantage to the lie. It's quite common.

    So, that's why it seems useless, at best, to continually refer to the same vague accusations without clearing anything up. Anyone can say anything about anyone else. Why believe it, unless they are at least clear about what happened?

    Also, yes, I had read something you'd said about Sai Baba, but had missed that you are still sympathetic to him. You wonder why Vishwananda or anyone else would turn against him? I'm pretty sure most people recognize that sexual abuse is serious, and can deeply damage the victims for life, even if seemingly mild, especially if the victim is a child. No amount of other charitable activities can erase the reprehensible nature of that transgression, nor...and this is key....the necessary underlying psychological imbalance which allows the behavior to erupt from any being, in the first place. If any sincere seeker of God favorable to a guru discovered such behaviors, they would immediately leave the camp. Period.

    Avatar + Sexual Abuse = Not Likely

    What a world-famous personage with thousands of devotees and mega-charitable projects who abuses people sexually (or otherwise) is doing is not essentially different (though the scale is larger) than an everyday wife beater who goes to church on Sundays, does charitable work, and makes big donations. Knowing that the man has sent his wife to the hospital three times, would you still "respect his charitable work"?

    How can, as even one of those individuals accusing Sai Baba admitted, such a person still emanate an aura of "love"? That's a really significant issue which anyone who wants to more fully embody love should consider, because it deeply touches the issue of what love really is. Having a clear idea of that will help us avoid pitfalls and detours on our own path. It's surely not just a warm, fuzzy, uplifiting feeling. Nor, a vision of light or vastness or elevated consciousness. It must have something to do with gentleness and benevolence.

    I used to be a child protective services social worker and dealt extensively with issues of abuse and neglect. Something not everyone knows is that sexual abusers of children who are in a relationship with them (relatives or friends) aren't always hated by them. Often, the victim is very close to them and emotionally dependent upon them. Nevertheless, the harm done to them becomes obvious in the way their lives play out, in self-esteem, trust, and problems with insight and decision making....in their inability to recognize and protect themselves from future abuse. That the abuser affects an attitude of caring and/or supplies other forms of caretaking is no indication of actual love or benevolence.

    Sri Aurobindo had a theory about this, as it relates to gurus. He said that the spiritual world is full of levels and planes with different characteristics. Some of those include really enjoyable, impressive things. The vedas, in fact, warn against all sorts of delusions encountered along the path - power, bliss, and the idea that one is enlightened when not are some of them.

    { Citation:

    'Palavidhamãm siddhigalum pãdhãlla munbãi
    yilagum rasãyamum enba - ulagir
    prathyakshamãgave petrãlum pattrral
    oruvugave sãdagan ullil - uraittha.' (66)

    'palavidhamãm siddhigalum' - 'ashtamaha siddhis' (eight main supernatural powers)
    'pãdhãlla munbãi yilagum' - the power to know things found below the earth. This is called 'Bhooma vidya'.
    'rasãyanamum' - 'siddhis' like converting iron into gold, etc.
    'ulagil prathyakshamãgave petrãlum' - even if you earn such powers or see someone else exercising such powers
    'sãdhagan ull pattrral oruvugave' - a sãdhak that you are, do not let your mind be disturbed by such things. Do not be in awe of such things. There is no connection between these and Moksha.

    In this verse, the Lord warns the sãdhak against 'siddhis' (supernatural powers) that come in the way of his spiritual practice. The Lord says, 'a sãdhak should never ever hold on to such supernatural powers, as they have nothing to do with the goal, that is Moksha.' }

    So, if these siddhis have nothing to do with Moksha, what does? Most traditions hold that love is the signpost.

    Aurobindo's point was that some (to us) very powerful yogis seem to be avatars because they emanate power, light, bliss, and do favors for us. They might be deceived, themselves, about their own condition, or simply be deceiving others, deliberately.

    See Aurobindo's article for more clarity:

    http://www.kheper.net/topics/Aurobindo/intermediate_zone.htm

    Many seekers notice that, whatever the quality of the guru, some followers experience real spiritual benefit through their association. Ultimately, the impetus for change resides within the seeker, and what they do with the energy and experiences which come their way is the key. This also explains why even bonafide teachers can't free everyone.

    There's another great article on this phenomenon, which, even though it seems off point really does relate to my response to your assertion that it makes sense to continue supporting Sai Baba, who carries on even with well documented infractions, while slamming Vishwananda, with none:

    http://www.lightlink.com/vic//guru.html

    It's long, but the part with the diagram really gets to the point.

     
  • At 7:55 AM, Blogger Sheen said…

    I cannot reply fully to your comment but I can say is that since you remain anonymous, I can only assume you are the same person who has put forward the last few comments? I think people are free to their anonymity but since you are insistent on details than I have to need to have some knowledge on 'you' as well. If you would like to maintain your anonymity, then accept that others also wish to do so. If you have pressing questions then you are free to email me as I have suggested on my initial article.

    There are certain things that are not acceptable to form part of a public debate and this is not the blog to deal with this. Like I said, you can email me.....

    If you don't like the fact that I have mixed feelings about Sai Baba, then you have failed to understand that I was a committed follower of him and had 'love' for him. This is a deeply held sentiment for anyone who follows a guru and if they become confused by something, then an emotional ride is usually the case. I find it strange that you cannot understand the nature of a spiritual journey and the complexities of the process.

     
  • At 12:07 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Oct. 9, 2007

    Darth Vader and Luke Sky Walker.

    I was born and raised Catholic, pray the rosary and go to mass regularly. I am also a life member of Krisna Consciousness, and have studied the Vedac Scriptures as well as the teachings of the Ascended Masters. I graduated from CAL Berkeley and presently teach. This is the first time I am submitting a letter on Vishwananda or Sai Baba anywhere.

    Years ago, I had friends who worked for the television news magazine “Hard Copy” in Los Angeles. They had interviewed several sets of parents and their adolescent sons who had all made allegations of sexual abuse by Satya Sai Baba.
    After listening to so many detailed accounts outlining Satya Sai Baba’s sexual abuse by parents, who at great risk, exposed their children to negative media attention, I knew where I stood. As a mother myself, with two sons, I personally feel that anyone engaged in any form of sexual abuse of children should strung up by their balls. And even though many of my friends at the time, were devotees of Satya Sai Baba, I stood with the parents who I did not even know who had their sons molested by Satya Sai Baba… Of course, I lost all of my friends who were devotees of Satya Sai Baba.

    For these reasons I agree with the woman who works for Child Protective Services, who wrote the entry previous to this one. She hit it on the nail when she commented on Sai Baba’s predator-like nature.
    “No amount of other charitable activities can erase the reprehensible nature of that transgression, nor...and this is key....the necessary underlying psychological imbalance which allows the behavior to erupt from any being, in the first place. If any sincere seeker of God favorable to a guru discovered such behaviors, they would immediately leave the camp. Period. “

    The Ascended masters have a phrase to describe those who would pose as “men of the cloth” in any religion, to gain advantage over others. The Ascended masters have likened pedophiles to “sexual vampires” who steal the light from the chakras of children, simply because they have no light of their own…And since children hold the light for the planet they are the easiest targets to extract this light from by people like Satya Sai Baba. Forcing the sexual chakras of children to become opened, when children naturally reside in their crown chakra, ruins them emotionally perhaps for life, and even lifetimes…

    Jesus once said, “lest ye harm one of these little ones, it would be better that a mill stone be place around your neck and hurled into the sea…”

    It does not matter how many “charitable activities” Satya Sai Baba engages in to attempt to disguise his true demoniac nature. The Ascended masters have said that sponsoring charitable activities to cover over the darkenss in one’s own soul is in effect, “Karma Dodging.” In other words, those who would try to outrun their own negative karma by getting others to perform good works in their name…(ie. Satya Sai Baba’s hospital), are simply trying to outwit, and/or outrun their own karma. As far as I’m concerned, comparing Vishwananda to Satya Sai Baba, and his spiritual/monetary empire, is like comparing Luke Skywalker to Darth Vader and his huge death-star in the “Empire Strikes Back.”


    A year ago, I had no opinion on Vishwananda. As I walked into my first satsang, I expected nothing. After having been on the spiritual path for over 25 years, I had seen it all, and frankly, I was a bit jaded. In past years, I had traveled with Swami Muktananda. I witnessed his demise along with the fall of his successor, Swami Nityananda due to sexual foul play. There also seemed to be abuse as well as lack of knowledge on how to control the kundalini in his disciples…many of whom I witnessed go crazy …
    I really didn’t expect anything from eastern men wearing robes any more. But since Vishwananda was in my town, I was curious.

    As I walked in I looked at the literature table and noticed a book on Shirdi Sai Baba.
    I had been to the Samadhi shrine of Shirdi Sai Baba once in India… it was a beautiful experience… and I was curious to know what Vishwananda had to say about him.
    I could never understand how so many of my friends believed that this new Satya Sai Baba was the re-embodiment of Shirdi Sai Baba…their energies were obviously completely different.

    So I told the lady at the book table, who was European, that I was going to "leave the satsang" if in any way, shape, or form, Swami Vishwananda implied that the original Sai Baba of Shirdi, (who I believe to be a saint,) was the same as the new "fake" version with the black afro.

    As I looked at her accusingly, I prepared to get one of those phony, all-embracing “New age” answers, that we’re all one, etc. etc. I subconsciously prepared to leave the satsang before she even spoke. To my surprise, she said that Vishwananda denied that Satya Sai Baba was the re-embodiment of Shirdi Sai Baba...

    I was shocked. For one guru, to actually have the guts to contradict another guru in this day and age, where they usually do not say anything about each other, is astounding.
    To my knowledge, there is only one other guru who was brave enough to say the same…and he is probably the most revolutionary guru who ever lived…Srila Prabhupada of the Beatles and the Hare Krisna Movement. Prabhupada essentially brought Krisna to the West for millions of people and left his body in 1977. Not only did Srila Prabhupada deny the connection between Shirdi Sai Baba and Satya Sai Baba, he warned all of his disciples not to go near Satya Sai Baba, while still maintaining friendships with other yogis, such as Yogi Bhajan.

    It’s too bad, that Vishwananda being so young, probably never heard of Prabhupada’s warning, and along with many others had to learn the hard way…but for now, anyway, he stands as one of the only yogis who has had the guts to contradict one of the biggest occult heavyweights of our time, Satya Sai Baba. Not only that, Vishwananda has built a shrine to Shirdi Sai Baba, not making one reference to Satya Sai Baba. This constitutes a direct slap in the face to the latter…In this respect, Vishwananda is a revolutionary.

    Based upon what the woman explained to me at the literature table, I decided to attend the satsang. As soon as I sat down, I fell into deep trance and samadhi for several hours, I could not move. I was in ecstasy.

    I have been following Vishwananda ever since, and have experienced more love than I’ve ever felt, except during ecstatic communions with Jesus and various other Ascended Masters.

    Also, after meeting Vishwananda, I had a vision of Babaji soon afterwards. I was a Cathedral where I normally pray, doing my rosary. Babaji appeared to me for the first time in my life. He said that Vishwananda was “his son.” I knew, at this time, Babaji was sponsoring Vishwananda. According to the Ascended masters, in order to beomce a guru, one must be sponsored by the Ascended Masters…one cannot simply be a rouge swami or a loose cannon without sponsorship. I was shocked to have this revealed.

    Their was a second vision which had to do with Yogananda. During the first satsang I had with Vishwananda, I saw him turn into Yogananda. I was surprised at this and later wrote him a letter asking him if he was Yogananda.…he never answered, but several people on his staff have mentioned that he is. Yogananda at one point said that he was Arjuna. There is no better warrior I can think of than Arjuna the fight against the dark forces of this material realm. I honor him for this, and it is important to note that Vishwananda is also honored in all of the Krisna temples he visits, not by people who follow him, but by those who follow Krisna. In the temples I’ve seen him frequent, he is usually garlanded and revered as “one of the highest Vaisnavas on the planet…” (a vaisnava is a devotee of Krisna).

    And I believe Vishwananda is Yogananda despite the time-variance in the calculation of Yogananda’s predicted rebirth. The Ascended masters have explained that time travels differently in the astral planes and inbetween realms. Perhaps there is no guarantee of landing exactly where you predict you might land in the future. Or perhaps Yogananda, had to come back sooner out of love for his disciples or due to issues he needed to work out of his own. Not sure. But according to the Ascended Masters, anyone who is still in embodiment, is so because they themselves have some karma or dharma to work out. And coming the this material realm is a great risk for anyone, even a great being of light, because the higher you go, the harder you can fall…
    But at this point, I am convinced that Vishwananda is doing the work he needs to be doing and is under the direct sponsorship and tutelage of Ascended Master Babaji.

     
  • At 3:25 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Luke Sky Walker??...N-a-a-h

    Luke Sky Walker was completely devoted to Princess Leah.
    Vishwananda has astral sex with every woman in the darshan hall...or at least all of the ones I've spoken with.
    Why is that? So many gurus think they can play these etheric sex games? Is it a form of healing or a form or taking energy??
    And why does they wear orange?
    Shouldn't they be celibate on the inside as well as the outside?

     
  • At 3:23 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Astral Sex?
    No wonder that woman followed Vishwananda to Singapore (as spoken about a few comments back.)
    If he didn't want her to come, he is certainly sending mixed messages.
    I feel sorry that he led her on like that.

     
  • At 12:40 AM, Blogger Lisa said…

    Hi Sheen,

    My opinion after almost seven years of researching the allegatins regarding Sathya Sai Bab is that there is a racist campaign against him as well as other Hindu gurus. It appears to have originated from the United States, with a noticable focus in California. Most of the antagonists are white males, usually Catholics or atheists. The secondary focus appears to be Britain. No alleged 'victims', much less children have EVER even TRIED to file charges.
    All of the accusers appear to be white adult males, mostly out of California with the exception of an Iranian adult (who is a Catholic) from California. Several of these accusers claim that Sai Baba's genitalia supernaturally morphed from male to female (while simultaneously trying to claim he is a fraud). Their contradictions point toward outright lies and/or deep-seated mental issues, which would explain (besides the fact they are adults) why they will not file charges.

    In all cases where gurus have been smeared the complainants are all adults who have never even tried to file police reports and often waited for years and sometimes even decades before making their accusations, which are usually made through the media. In the Muktananda smear campaign, they are all American white female adults, many also from Calfornia.

    See:
    Persecutors of Sathya Sai Baba

     
  • At 6:17 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Vishwananda's Business is Growing!!!

    He just invented a new Technique for the fools to follow;the Bhakti Kriya;
    "is one of the most powerful and fastest ways to reach union with the Divine through the uplifting of the limited human consciousness to God cosmic consciousness"

    For all true sincere seekers do not be trapped by these so-called new age guru,you will loose your money, time and will be manipulated.

    Lahiri Mahasay created a group called Aryya Mission;

    Here is the truth about Mahamuni Babaji and his rules;
    1.# He does not use any name.
    2.He does not have a normal human body
    3.There is no photo(What is publicized as Babaji’s photo is drawn either by an American artist or Sanandalal Ghosh (younger brother of Yogananda) from the description given by Yogananda who never met Babaji directly in person.
    It should also be mentioned here that those who met Babaji and gave a description of Babaji, among them, Lahiri Mahasay, Sriyukteswar and Swami Satyeswarananda Maharaj; Yogananda’s description did not match at all with theirs.
    Yogananda never met Mahamuni Babaji, the Divine Himalayan Yogi; there is no factual evidence)
    4.He is not an Avatar.
    5.He made Injunction (prohibits) against starting an organization.
    6.He maintains strict Order of Guru-Param-Para (Master and Disciple Relationship).
    7.Qualifications for Kriya are according to Babaji.
    8.He observes very strict rules
    9.He considers Guru’s responsibility is paramount.
    The Divine Himalayan Yogi, Babaji and his principal Kriya disciple, Lahiri Mahasay issued injunctions NOT TO DEVELOP ORGANIZATIONS around the Kriya teaching.

    “The great Master [Lahiri Mahasay] lived his sublime life in partial seclusion, and steadfastly refused to permit his followers to build any organization around his teachings.” Autobiography of a Yogi, Paramhansa Yogananda, 1979 paperback edition, p. 339
    Only one message for Vishwananda and His followers;
    "Let them fool themselves for this incarnation".

    Watch these videos and enlighten yourselves;

    http://hk.youtube.com/watch?v=anh5e45udKo

     
  • At 3:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Vishwananda's Materialization secrets revealed???

    'The Sorcerer's Apprentice'

    "A highly entertaining travel-cum-adventure book which includes an entertaining description of the author's brief apprenticeship to a master (whom he calls Feroze) in miracle techniques, like going into a trance, materialising vibhuti and regurgitating lingams:

    "Shah is fearful when his newly-found master suddenly goes from meditation into a trance. When he returns to consciousness, the teacher explains that it is done with a walnut: 'The illusion is elementary. ... First, stick the walnut in your armpit, and pretend you're going into a state of samadhi. Next, gently press down on the nut. The trembling of meditation masks the contraction of one's shoulder muscles. Soon, as you saw, the nut reduces the pulse, by pressing on the axillary artery.' (p. 98)

    "Feroze insisted that mastering vibhuti would develop my sleight-of-hand abilities. Adept conjurors, he said, can eat, drink tea, and write with one or two of the pellets - hidden in position - lodged in the web of skin between the thumb and forefinger. With a single circling movement of the hand, they can withdraw the pellet and crush it with the fingertips.

    "Feroze demonstrated how to make the tiny pellets. A quantity of perfume and ash is mixed in a pan with a few drops of kanji, a starchy water in which rice has been washed. Stir in enough ash and one gets a form of dough. Pea-sized beads of the preparation are dried, ready for use." (p. 101)

    "To produce the lingams, Shah describes how he graduated from swallowing small potatoes and provoking a violent regurgitation with a powerful emetic to stage 2 where he was able to produce the same effect with pebbles by control of internal muscles (pp. 104-108). He quotes his master as commenting: 'Houdini claimed to be nothing more that an illusionist. But here, in India, godmen have taken these feats a stage further: they are passing them off as actual magic.'

    "And (on p. 110): 'Houdini understood that without mystery there was no magic. He knew also that without publicity, word of one's skill would not travel.'"

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=d7hntuicBg4

     
  • At 3:23 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    watch this

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=xryMfkaFH84&feature=related

     
  • At 7:49 AM, Blogger Sheen said…

    Hi, some interesting takes! By the way, does anyone know of a recent visit by Vishwananda to Sai Baba's ashram in Puttarparthi this year?

     
  • At 9:06 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    A guru never Lies
    Vishwananda is always lying
    Many of you did not inquire about his true past
    At his young age,he believed that Satya Sai Baba was God, Vibhutis started coming from his room on his Satya Sai baba pictures(in mauritius actually there are many people materializing objects like sai baba and vishwananda)
    He then started removing vibhti form thin air and lingam from his mouth & most of the objects removed was of the images of Satya Sai Baba & where you can buy at most pooja shops.

    He went several times to puttapurthi(ashram of sai baba in india) with many politicians in Mauritius.

    His first temple was built at his home place, was for satya sai baba.
    Many times miracles like messages from satya sai was appearing in the form of vibhuti for him.

    He told all of his followers at that time that Satya Sai Baba was the real God Incarnated.

    Many proof of that exist in Uk, Kenya, south africa & mauritius.
    The statya sai centre in Mauritius have proof of his visits in Puttapurthi several times.

    Many people was being fooled by his false predictions,

    You can contact swami ajay who was very close to vishwananda(another guy materializing objects & removing lingams just like vishwanada) to know his real past.

    http://www.swami-ajay.org/

    Vishwananda life is based on cheating people & lying.....

    He is using name of Mahamuni Babaji & Yogananda to spread his name & make him famous....

    No one can escape their past....

    Mahamuni Babaji lives in supreme secrecy & only the deserves one can receive the Secret & genuine Kriya Yoga.

    Beware of Vishwananda before accepting him as Guru as he is only fooling you people for more Money & Fame.

    Why does Vishwananda modified his Biography???
    Why does he Materialize Objects in same way as his former Guru Satya Sai Baba???

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7hntuicBg4&feature=related

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0oASU8TRSs&feature=related

     
  • At 9:09 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    http://www.swami-ajay.org

    webmaster@swami-ajay.org

     
  • At 8:24 AM, Blogger Sheen said…

    Firstly very interesting with more young swamis coming up...hmm!

    UPDATE:
    http://vishwananda-shenanigans.blogspot.com/

    Hi, I've posted on above link a very interesting piece of information made by Yogananda about Sathya Sai Baba to one of his followers - not sure if sources can be fully verified. Here is transcript of the conversation, available at:

    http://sathyasaibaba.spiritualindia.org/forum/who_is_sathya_sai_baba/sathya_sai_baba_a_clear_view_part_1-t148.0.html

    ''Shortly before he left his physical body behind, Paramahansa Yogananda was approached by one of his close American disciples, a woman.
    “Master,” she said, “I know you are planning on leaving your body. You must take me with you! You are my God!”

    “Nonsense,” replied Yogananda. “God is God; I am your Guru.”

    “But Master, if you leave without me, I will commit suicide!”

    “Enough of that foolishness! God Himself is now incarnate on Earth, in South India. His name is Sai Baba. When I leave you are going to live with Him.”
    (His prediction proved correct; after Yogananda’s death, that devotee spent the rest of her life at Sai Baba’s ashram.)''

     
  • At 12:41 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Vishwananda is definitely a saibaba copycat.
    He removes lingams & manifest vibhuti just like him.This video proves his connections with his former guru sai baba.People are still so stupid & foolish to believe in such a fake miracles.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaPDdNgsUyo

    Those who want to do the same business can learn sleight or hand & regulating lingams tricks here;
    "Feroze insisted that mastering vibhuti would develop my sleight-of-hand abilities. Adept conjurors, he said, can eat, drink tea, and write with one or two of the pellets - hidden in position - lodged in the web of skin between the thumb and forefinger. With a single circling movement of the hand, they can withdraw the pellet and crush it with the fingertips.

    "Feroze demonstrated how to make the tiny pellets. A quantity of perfume and ash is mixed in a pan with a few drops of kanji, a starchy water in which rice has been washed. Stir in enough ash and one gets a form of dough. Pea-sized beads of the preparation are dried, ready for use." (p. 101)

    "To produce the lingams, Shah describes how he graduated from swallowing small potatoes and provoking a violent regurgitation with a powerful emetic to stage 2 where he was able to produce the same effect with pebbles by control of internal muscles (pp. 104-108). He quotes his master as commenting: 'Houdini claimed to be nothing more that an illusionist. But here, in India, godmen have taken these feats a stage further: they are passing them off as actual magic.'

    "And (on p. 110): 'Houdini understood that without mystery there was no magic. He knew also that without publicity, word of one's skill would not travel.'"

     
  • At 9:38 AM, Blogger Sheen said…

    http://saicopycats.blogspot.com/2006/01/swami-vishwananda.html#c7348519154527047112

    I think the above comment from the Sai Copycats page is worth an article in itself - very informative!

     
  • At 4:29 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Attracting More Flies with Honey: How ‘Love’ and ‘Oneness’ Teachings Are Used to Disempower

    By Bronte Baxter

    “Love one another.” “We are all one.”

    Such beautiful sentiments. Love is the balm that heals the heart, and oneness the reality that joins us. But spiritual teachers with an agenda use “love” and “oneness” teachings to keep the lid down on their disciples’ spiritual development.

    Let’s look at these teachings one at a time and see how they are used to manipulate. When a teacher or religion preaches love, at first glance that seems to be a good thing. It encourages people to be selfless and to help their fellows. Because of “love” teachings, religious people give to the poor, volunteer their time, and bite their tongue a lot. They say the right thing and don’t do things that other people won’t like. They put their desires on the backburner and focus instead on doing what they think will make others happy. Whenever sentiments of discontent or rebellion arise, they quash them with the stern heel of conscience. They know such feelings are from the dark side, and that they must be vigilant against them.

    Years go by, and these well-meaning people become frustrated and repressed. The rebellion in them grows, because they are not listening to themselves. Their soul cries out for experiences, for learning through experience, but they have been taught that personal desires are selfish, so the cries of their soul go unheeded. They grow depressed or angry, because their purpose of embodiment in human form has been thwarted. The frustration comes out in negative ways: short-temperedness, jealousy, vindictiveness, gossip, judgmentalness.

    The sincere people who faithfully follow “love” teachings typically live in a box with the lid down, able to express but little of themselves because instinctual wants are considered suspect or evil. Repressed, their souls turn miserable or spiteful, like a dog chained for years to a stake. “See, it’s a bad dog” people say when the animal snarls and nips, convinced by such nasty behavior that they were right in chaining that animal all along.

    Telling people to be unselfish creates a shadow personality inside them, the very “ego” that religions decry and that wouldn’t exist without religion. It’s ego, teachers preach, that makes the spirit discontent and rebellious. The vices their followers find in their private hearts are proof that the soul is a tainted thing, needing to be risen above or controlled.

    So people redouble their efforts to be kind and loving. They volunteer more time, give more money to their church or their guru, and bite their tongue so hard it hurts. But their “wicked” spirit only becomes sulkier, their negative thoughts stronger, their suppressed rage greater.

    The spiritual teacher has, of course, the solution to all this. The Christian struggling with wicked thoughts is told to surrender his soul to Jesus. The disciple plagued by negativity is told to surrender her ego to Oneness Consciousness. It amounts to the same thing. Spiritual aspirants must make an oblation of the will (the soul’s chief attribute and mode of expression) to something perceived as greater and purer than themselves. If they do this, God, they are promised, will destroy the evil in their hearts. Oneness, or Brahman Consciousness, will dissolve their selfish cravings and negative mental chatter. The soul will melt away into the wholeness that is their true cosmic nature, or into the love that is Jesus. The troublesome entity they have fought with for years, their inner self, will be gone. In its place will come a peace that surpasseth understanding, the presence of the Divine alive in their heart.

    People who succeed in going the final steps to such surrender do indeed experience peace, but it is the peace of spiritual death. Gone is the cry of their spirit for expression, for freedom to live and do things in the world. Gone is the frustration of the heart that lived in a box all its life. All noise is silenced. The soul has been snuffed out. All that exists in the shell called the body is the presence of something else: a new, holy or cosmic consciousness.

    But the consciousness that takes over when we surrender our souls only claims to be divine or of the Source. It is a consciousness that hates life, that abhors uniqueness and diversity. It wants to wipe out the creative spark whose expression was the purpose of creation. That spark, individual consciousness, burst forth from the Source Consciousness in a brilliant firework display at the beginning of time. We are those sparks, children of the Infinite, and our play and display is the reason for the world.

    The play has been thwarted for millenniums. The display has been forbidden. Any original impulses that don’t align with institutionalized spiritual programming, in religions of East or West, are judged egoistic or evil. While a few people in society break free from these fetters (becoming our artists, our inventers, our thinkers), most of mankind lives under the yoke of spiritual repression, judging their deepest instincts as suspect, selfish, and wrong. So we live in miserable marriages, work at miserable jobs, go places we don’t want to go for the “happiness” of our families, and do things we don’t want to do to help the less fortunate. Religious people work so hard to make sure everyone else is happy, but no one does anything that makes anyone happy, because happiness is a luxury they’re told they have no right to expect or experience.

    I remember as a girl, how Sundays my family would sit around asking one another how they’d like to spend the day. “Would you like to go to the park?” one person would ask? “I don’t know, would you like to go to the park?” would come the reply. Everyone was so busy being unselfish, trying to do what the others supposedly wanted, that no one ever answered honestly about what they thought would be fun. So we went to the park or museum, never knowing if even one family member really wanted to go there. We were that intent on being good Christians, on sacrificing our personal desires for the sake of everyone else. We thought that made us moral and pleasing to God.

    I often think of this sad and ridiculous scenario that was acted out so many times when I was growing up, and what a metaphor it is for all decisions that are based on repressing our inner spark for the supposed higher good. What if instead we all listened to the promptings in our hearts, without judgment? What if we stopped calling those promptings “ego” and considered them messages from the divine within us, messages there to guide us through life?

    Those who have succumbed to the teaching that the ego is a self-serving, antisocial, anti-spiritual entity that lives inside waiting to undermine, can never free the creative spark and do the things that truly bring happiness to themselves and to others. When we trust our desires and stop judging them as selfish, the nastiness that once accrued to our inner spirit strangely disappears. The soul isn’t repressed anymore. It is free and expressing, fulfilling its divine promptings. Gone is its envy toward others, its anger and resentment. The soul fills with its own innate joy, and wishes no less for everybody else.

    Egoism is not born of this entity; it is born of repressing this entity. Left to itself, unjudged and uncensored, the soul desires good things for itself and for all creation. Where is the selfishness?

    Spiritual teachers tell us to love, but true love is never born of an edict. Love is not biting your tongue, doing what someone else wants, repressing your desires, giving money to charity or doing prescribed service. All those things come from an effort at love, not from having love. When you have love, you need no mandates. Love is a tenderness of feeling, an empathy to what another is going through, a perception of the beauty in another.

    Not only is a mandate not needed for real love – a mandate is useless in bringing love about. How can a spiritual rule make you feel tenderness or empathy, or appreciation of beauty? Only an open soul can experience those things. A soul shrouded in judgment of itself as egoistic and selfish cannot feel tenderness, empathy or appreciation. It is way too hurt and closed for such delicate feelings. Expecting a judged soul to bloom forth in genuine love is like expecting a seedling you poured drain cleaner on to sprout forth in beautiful, new, green shoots.

    Any spiritual leader who makes love the core of their teaching or who talks of dissolving the “small self” or “ego” leads mankind further into the dark. A truly awake person knows that love cannot be achieved through effort and that egoism is the product of self-flagellation. The truly awake don’t tell people to be loving, they suggest people be true to themselves. They advise self-trust. They are also aware of the nature of religion and its destructive role in the world. They speak out against it in all its forms.

    Truly spiritual people recognize that religions use teachings of love and oneness to manipulate humanity into first judging and then surrendering their precious, unique souls (in the form of the will). They perceive that someone stands to gain from this, those who stand at the top of religions, those who call themselves God, gods, or gurus. They know that the true God, the Source Consciousness, has no need for worship and never mandated such. They know that anyone asking for adulation is less than Infinite, less than divine – an imposter pretending to be those things.

    The truly aware know that Source Consciousness wants only that its purpose in creation be fulfilled: the play and display of happiness, in a myriad expression of souls, unique in their wonderful forms. They know that religion’s teachings of mandated love and dissolving ego thwart the Infinite’s purpose by destroying those souls.

    People who know the truth encourage free expression, independence, individuality. They cheer for things like questioning, dissent, and nonconformity. They never codify “truth” and they never set themselves up as “teachers.” They don’t allow others to put them on a pedestal. They never appear on the rolls of “the holy” or “the Self-realized.” They are simple, confident people going about their lives with the light on inside.

    No one turns to them as gurus or quotes them as spiritual authorities. They bring light to the world by being who they are and living freely and differently. Their joy and originality inspire those around them to re-evaluate the shrunken, judged personhood inside themselves, to consider whether it, too, might be capable of such luminosity. The truly awake inspire envy and anger in many, whose first reaction to the possibility of freedom is outrage, because it means they may have been traveling in the wrong direction all their lives.

    Love is the sweetest expression of life, the flower of God’s creation. Oneness is our deepest nature, the place we all join with God (to quote the poet, Matthew Arnold) like islands “linking (our) coral arms beneath the sea.” Love and Oneness – what could be better?

    But teachings that tell us to practice love and surrender to the Oneness are quite another thing. There are those who would twist mankind’s natural spiritual instincts to serve their sinister purposes. Love and Oneness are their calling cards.

    (For more about these sinister purposes, see my other articles in the “Blowing the Whistle on Enlightenment” series.)

    Bronte Baxter

     
  • At 5:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Fake Hindu swamis, sanyasis, babas, gurus and godmen thrive in a society which lacks awareness about the true essence of Hindu spirituality. Therefore Hindus and other sections of the society which provide the opportunity and fertile ground for fraudsters to thrive in the name of Hinduism are equally at fault. No fake swami can survive without ignorant and fortune-seeking followers.

    The Bhagavad Gita which narrates the essence of Hindu spirituality contains only 700 verses. There are excellent translation and commentary of Bhagavad Gita which cost less than 100 rupees. But majority of the Hindus have no time to read the 700 verses but spend money, energy and time visiting ashrams and spiritual centers of such fake babas and gurus.

    If you make this an issue, immediately comes the answer, Bhagavad Gita is hard to digest for common people like us, we are ignorant. It is for the common people that the learned men of yesteryears have translated the Gita into all regional languages. They have provided excellent translations and have interpreted the great dialogue between Arjuna and Krishna into the simplest language.

    Is not understanding Gita the real issue? NO

    The real issue is that Gita doesn’t talk about methods to become super rich overnight. Neither do Gita have mantras to find treasures hidden underground or to get promotions or provide miracle cure to diseases. Gita also does not recommend pujas to destroy your enemies. And above all Gita does not predict the future.

    But the fake swamis and godmen only talk about future, money and predictions, pujas and innumerable homams to cure diseases where medical science has failed. Sadly, this is what many Hindus want to hear.

    Daily we get to hear about such fake swamis and their notorious activities – which include rape, amassing wealth through dishonorable means – but this has not deterred many Hindus from approaching fraudsters. But, why?

    Both the fake Godmen and his followers are fortune seekers. Godmen is using religion to become rich and conduct other antisocial activities. Followers are fortune seekers who want the help of an outside agency to reach God and bribe God and amass wealth and know future.

    Shri Krishna never fought for Arjuna. Arjuna had to do all the fighting in Kurukshetra. The ultimate truth that we have to do our work and no God will come to do it is not still acceptable to many.

    A true Sanyasi will never advertise. He/She is like a flower. People reach them following the fragrance. They will not even bother to talk to fortune-seekers. Silence is there best weapon which frustrate most fortune seekers in minutes. They might open up the knowledge treasure to a genuine seeker whom a true Sanyasi will easily identify – just like Ramakrishna identified Vivekananda.

    No Sanyasi or Godmen has said anything new that is not found in the Upanishads, Gita, Ramayana, Yoga Vasishta and Mahabharata. All these texts are readily available in the market. Pick any of these Holy Scriptures and read a few pages daily. Soon we will realize the futility of going to such fake gurus.

    Hinduism believes in individual self realization and not borrowed or rented or bought self realization. Always remember the Brahman that resides in the most respected guru or spiritual leader also resides in us. The only difference is that we have not bothered to realize it.

    If we are falling into the trap of fake Sanyasis and Godmen, it is our fault. And if you find that a swami is fake, never hesitate to report it to the authorities. Such fake swamis and Godmen should not find protection in Hindu religion.

    http://www.hindu-blog.com/2008/05/beware-of-fake-swamis-and-hindu-god-men.html

     
  • At 5:15 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Godmen and Hinduism


    There are so many Godmen in India(around the world). The reason for this is two basic believes in Hinduism. Hinduism insists that every body should have a spiritual teacher (Guru) and Hinduism firmly believes that God will come to the earth and destroy the evils when they try to rule the world. Using this believes , some fraudulent persons self proclaiming that they are the real spiritual teachers and cheating the people. To make the people believe, they are doing some cheap magics like creating something from thin air(removing lingams) and so on. Hinduism never admits all this. It strongly advice the people that the they should be very cautious in choosing their Guru. Saints of the ancient India never indulged in these kind of activities.. They never asked the people to worship them or they lived a luxurious life, like the modern Gurus. Ramalinga Adigalar , a great saint who lived in South India in the 19 th century, often wept when people tried to worship him. He continuously insisted that God only be worshipped and not others. All the great saints like Ramalinga Adigalar,Ramakrishna Paramahamsar, Vivekananda led a simple life and they never tried to lead a luxurious life by cheating the people, like the modern Gurus now doing.

    Another kind of God men proclaim themselves that they are the incarnation(Avatar) of God or (saints), who came to the world to protect the good from the evils. These people are more intelligent than the false Gurus mentioned above. By some means they will make some foreigners as their devotees and the people begin to believe that these fellows have some super natural powers and that is why people from other countries also becoming their devotees. This fraudulent Godmen cash this belief and minting money. To avoid any doubts in the mind of their devotees, they build Hospitals, Educational Institutes and so on and try to project them as if they are very much concerned about the society. Mahatma Gandhi often said "Means are more important than the aims". One can not justify his fraudulent methods in the veil of social service. Devotees of this false Godmen should adhere to the advise of Ramakrishna Paramahamsar that " Nothing should be accepted without questioning" If these Godmen are real Gods why they are building Hospitals and Educational institutes? By a single touch they can cure the patients and make the people educated! Why they are not doing it?Thirumoolar, a saint of Tamilnadu , who lived several centuries back, insisted that it was the duty of the king to identify this type of fraudulent Godmen and Gurus and punish them. But many in the corridor of power are sincere devotees of this kind of Godmen! Then who will bell the cats?We have to do it.

    Hindus must take a vow that we won't worship Godmen any more and we won't fall in the feet of this fraudulent persons.

    "Offer a handful of flowers to God ,a handful of grass to a cow , a hand full of food to a starved man and offer soothing and kind words to the distressed persons, that will lead you to God" This is what Thirumoolar told and we should follow his words and not these so called Gods(Frauds)!
    http://hubpages.com/hub/Godmen_and_Hinduism

     
  • At 6:12 AM, Blogger Sheen said…

    REFLECTION ON VASANTHA SAI MA AND OTHER MORE WELL KNOWN FEMALE 'GURUS'

    Firstly worth reflecting on the last 3 detailed comments!

    I know I wrote a passage on Vasantha Sai Ma much earlier and her claim to being the reincarnation of Radha (as in Radha/Krishna). She is a Sai devotee and to be fair to her, her visions and personal experience seem genuine - her book 'Liberation Here Itself Right Now' is worth a read and has been sighned by Sathya Sai.

    http://www.vasanthasai.org.uk/

    As with the well known female 'gurus' e.g Ammachi and Mother Meera, experiences can be vast and differing - the same is true for the leseer known such as Vasantha Sai Ma, so your own personal experience will validate your belief systems, unless there have been obvious signs of malpractice.

    So the authenticity of gurus may be there but the same principle of caution in blindly following should be considered. Vasantha Sai Ma's sincerity in her beliefs for example is valued but what is ultimately right for you in spiritual journey must be seriously considered.

     
  • At 5:39 AM, Blogger Sheen said…

    UPDATE - AUGUST 2008

    http://vishwanandawarning.blogspot.com/

     
  • At 12:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    emailed to me.....not proved...rumor at this point


    Friday, 12 September 2008


    Message from Guruji
    Dear brothers and sisters, dear friends

    I decided to dissolve the Bhakti Marga order.

    I hereby release all Brahmacharis/inis and Jal-Brahmacharis/inis from their vows. People often get caught up in positions and titles. If someone really wants to live for God, one doesn’t need a title.

    My love is always with you.

    I feel sorry from the bottom of my heart if someone feels hurt. This was never my intention.

    People saw many things in me in the past, and expected me to be many things. And they had great expectations of who I am and how I have to be. I just want to say: I am Swami Vishwananda, with my whole being.

    For each one of you who wants to stay connected with me and accepts me how I am, I continue to be there. I know, that there are many of you, who want to continue to lead a spiritual life. This will also be possible in the future, however, there will no longer exist an organisation like until now.

    Who would like to write to me, can send an email to swami@bhaktimarga.org.

    Springen continues to be and you are very welcome to visit.

    Love & blessings,

    Swami Vishwananda

    Vishwananda

    The cause of this dissolution? According to anonymous tipsters, it went down something like this:
    Emails were being sent out about Swamiji having illicit sex with his Brahmachari’s (the boys), which prompted a conference call last night lead by the national coordinator, Shrihara, and the US Brahmacharis.

    Well, the “rumors” are true. Swamiji has been having sex with his Brahmacharis for years. Questions that were asked were was it consensual? Yes, in some cases. Anyone under age? No, as far as anyone knows. Were any Brahmacharis tramatized? Yes. Hari, who became a Swami recently (Swami “VK”) renounced his vows and ties to Vishwananda and is now living back with his family in London. No one knows what happened with him. Was he having sex with Vishwanada? And if not, he surely must have known what was going on.

     
  • At 12:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    THE TRUTH WAS FINALLY REVEALED MORE HERE http://bhaktimargauk.blogspot.com/2008/09/message-from-guruji.html

     
  • At 12:22 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    MORE NEWS HERE

    http://guruphiliac.blogspot.com/

     
  • At 12:32 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Vishwananda Although only a few years pupils to schart, collect outs from his entourage already fierce accusations against him. Er zerstöre Ehen und Familien, indem er einzelne Menschen völlig vereinnahme. It destroys marriages and families by individuals completely vereinnahme. Seine Materialisationen erinnerten an Taschenspielertricks. His Materialisationen recalled sleight. Sein Umfeld werde immer wieder von Intrigen heimgesucht. His environment will always haunted by intrigue. Wegen seiner Vorliebe für Reliquien, die er zu magischen Zwecken missbrauche, versuche er sich durch Diebstahl Reliquien zu beschaffen. Because of his fondness for relics that he will have to abusing magical purposes, try it from theft to procure relics. Diese Vorwürfe sind nicht einfach aus der Luft gegriffen. These allegations are not just plucked from the air. Im Juni 2007 wurde Vishwananda zusammen mit zwei Anhängereinnen vom Baselbieter Strafgericht in Liestal wegen Sachbeschädigung und Störung der Glaubens- und Kultusfreiheit zu vier Monaten bedingt verurteilt. In June 2007 together with two Vishwananda Anhängereinnen of Basel in Liestal for criminal damage to property and disturbance of belief and worship to four months conditional sentence. Das Gericht sah es als erwiesen an, dass er zusammen mit zwei Anhängerinnen aus mindestens 25 Klöstern und Kirchen Reliquien entwendet hat. The court found it proved, that he together with two supporters from at least 25 monasteries and churches stolen relics. Die oben erwähnten Vorwürfe und das Baselbieter Urteil wecken im kritischen Beobachter die Frage, ob nicht Vishwananda als eine Art indischer Zauberlehrling durch die spirituelle Gegenwart reist, Geheimnis und Charme nach allen Seiten verbreitend, und in all dem trübe Geister beschwörend und skurrilen Neigungen sich hingebend? The above-mentioned allegations and the Basel area in the critical judgement arouse observers question whether Vishwananda as a kind of Indian sorcerer's apprentice by the spiritual presence travels, mystery and charm to all sides verbreitend, and in all the gloomy ghosts and bizarre beschwörend inclinations are hingebend? Spiritualität ist heute einer der beliebtesten Tummelfelder für jugendliche und ewig jung gebliebene Selbstinszenierung jeder Couleur. Spirituality is now one of the most popular Tummelfelder for young and young at heart forever Selbstinszenierung every hue. Aber nicht alle, die sich auf diesem Feld herumtummeln, sind noch wirklich Herren ihrer selbst. Manche verkommen zu Sklaven ihrer eigenen Botschaft. But not all are active in this field herumtummeln are still gentlemen really verkommen Some themselves slaves to their own message. Sie verkünden universale Göttlichkeit und müssen dann um jeden Preis Gott sein oder Gott mimen. They preach universal deity and then must at all costs God or God mimen. Ihre Meisterschaft ist ihre Tragik. Their championship is their tragedy. Sie überfordern zuerst sich und dann alle jene, die sich ihnen hingeben. They overwhelm first and then all those who devote them.
    Georg Schmid, 2007 Georg Schmid, 2007

    http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.relinfo.ch%2Fvishwananda%2Finfo.html

     
  • At 3:46 PM, Blogger Sheen said…

    NEW VISHWANANDA BLOG UPDATE:

    http://vishwanandawarning.blogspot.com/2008/09/uk-sources-confirm-collapsing-of.html

    This blog brings to attention UK sources confirming allegations of homosexuality regarding Vishwananda as above recent comments have highlighted, as well as other information.

     
  • At 10:46 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Have anny of you had an experience to meet Sai Baba or Swami Vishwnanda.
    I had luck to see them both several times. So manny radiance of Love I have not experianced annywhere else.
    So insted of righting senseless words get some experiance.
    Vith Love,
    Roland.

     
  • At 11:11 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    "Have anny of you had an experience to meet Sai Baba or Swami Vishwnanda.
    I had luck to see them both several times. So manny radiance of Love I have not experianced annywhere else.
    So insted of righting senseless words get some experiance.
    Vith Love,
    Roland."


    Oh dear,i feel so sorry for your poor soul falling into the traps of these two dangerous godmen.

    what do you mean by love?
    do you know the real meaning of divine love?
    sitting on a chair,talking sweet words,thats what you call divine love!!!

    Fake godmen attract fools like you with sweet words, acting like being god themselves.

    Vishwananda misused his org & his own principles!!!

    Your luck meeting them was actually your bad karma!!!

    Vishwananda have been abusing his male disciples for so many years.

    A guru is not a showman!!!
    A guru do not show miracle(for vishwananda & sai baba,their miracles are totally fake)
    A guru do not sit on a chair & give darshan
    A guru do not lie
    A guru do not abuse his own disciples
    A guru do not love luxury
    A guru is simply a master who teaches you how to master yourself!!!

    Have a life man & for god sake, stop fooling yourself.

     
  • At 7:11 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Just foud this interesting article;
    this guy gives evidence of vishwananda being the incarnation of Satan.
    "vishwananda is the incarnation of Satan,the anti-christ along with his two closed disciples."

    "Vishwananda is a demon & beast who drains people energy,have sex with them & steal their money.....
    "
    continue reading here:

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/9633286/Revelation-14-and-the-666-Event

     
  • At 7:17 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Posted On Sai Baba Copycats from ex follower...
    can you imagine that there are some fools still following this dirty sex guru Vishwananda!!!!!!!!

    "Vishwananda in Dubai...

    Recently, it's come to light that Vishwananda has lost not only devotees and fans, but also lost money in the stock market. It also came to light that
    on various travel excursions, Vishwananda has gone out
    of his way to go shopping in the city of Dubai, otherwise known as the "Las Vegas Of the Middle East" often to purchase rings containing "blood diamonds" otherwise known as conflict diamonds from the Saudis.

    It pains me as a former devotee that some of my donations went to
    sponsoring Vishwananda's extravagant trips to Dubai to
    give money to the Saudis (who sponsored 9/11) so that
    he could adorn his body with "conflict diamonds" off the backs of poor Africans.

    This is not the bahavior of a renunciate or someone
    who is at all sensitive to the environment or world
    situations.

    So my question is, is there any way former devotees can get donations back? When I sent my
    donations, I didn't realize that he was spending my
    money like this. All we were ever told was
    about things like "medical camp," etc...but now, so many issues are coming to light...
    I sent a copy of this letter to his ashram in Germany and received no reply.'

     
  • At 3:22 AM, Blogger Paul said…

    I want to reply to some of the comments which were posted above. My own experience with meeting spiritual teachers has been varied but my meetings with Vishwananda were the most impressive of all.


    'Vishwananda misused his org & his own principles!!!'
    He is living in a human body.
    I too experience a lot of conflict in my spiritual growth.


    'A guru is not a showman!!!
    A guru do not show miracle(for vishwananda & sai baba,their miracles are totally fake)
    A guru do not sit on a chair & give darshan'
    Vishwananda was sitting on the floor when I met him. I hid at the back of the room because I didn't know what was happening and just wanted to observe for a while. Without looking at me, he asked for me to be brought to him first.
    I stodd in front of him feeling very sceptical, he touched his thumb to my forehead, while holding the back of my head with his other hand. My physical body dissapeared into nothing. I was floating backwards through time, through my lifetimes and feeling at peace with myself. I knew something extrordinary was happening to me, a kind of intense healing and learning, but on levels that I had never come anywhere near before.
    After what felt like a lifetime I opened my eyes and was very surprised to find that I was still there in front of him. I wanted to make the most of this incredible experience so I closed my eyes again and dissolved once more into the bliss. When he had finished I opened my eyes and knew that I was with a very powerful and beautiful being. There were no tricks, no ash, no lies, no words and he didnt steal my energy. He helped me to connect with my true self.



    'A guru do not love luxury'
    Who says? You?
    What is wrong with enjoying a little luxury in life? Should he live in cave and eat only bread to satisfy your defintion of a guru?

    'A guru is simply a master who teaches you how to master yourself!!!'
    Yes he did and I will be eternally grateful.

    'Have a life man & for god sake, stop fooling yourself'
    Maybe you need to open your heart my friend.

     
  • At 12:52 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    regarding the last comment....

    you absolutely a FOOL....

    vishwananda admit that he abused his male discipleS(while telling them to take vow a celibate)

    vishwananda is a dirty guru who wants quick money....it is because of some crazy and mentally disturbed person like you that vishwananda is still manipulating people.....

    you seems to mentally mad or crazy as even though vishwananda abused most of his male disciples,you are still following him.....

    go to see a psychiatrist or an asylum....this is your place....

    LET YOU FOOL YOURSELF FOR THIS INCARNATION...AND OPEN YOUR EYES...EVEN IF VISHWANANDA WILL RAPE OR KILL SOMEONE IF FRONT OF YOUR EYES...YOU WILL THINK HE IS DIVINE....

     
  • At 12:04 PM, Blogger Paul said…

    Hey Anon.
    You really know nothing about me.
    I dont follow vishwananda or anyone else.
    I walk my own path.
    I only said in my post that I had a postitive experience with Viswnanda.
    Are you so hateful that you don't like to hear about a positive experience?
    Maybe he has done some things wrong.
    Maybe not.
    Whatever he has done, I still had a positive experience with him.

     
  • At 2:30 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    dear whoever you may be....

    i'm not bad or harsh with anybody,just want to clarify that THERE are solid proofs that vishwananada is a very big scam and dangerous fellow.

    He had admit himself of abusing his male disciple.....

    He life is completely based on lies and manipulation.Many peoples lives have been ruined by his malpractice and lies.

    HE IS A COMPLETE CHARLATAN WHO KNOWS NOTHING BUT HE READS ONLY FROM BOOKS.

    HE IS BAD JUST LIKE SAI BABA

    Im sorry to say that your experience with him was only your imagination......

    you are seeing what you want to see...

    vishwananda is a very dangerous guy and beware.

    He stole so many money from sincere seekers for his own benefit.

    FOR GOD SAKE,LOVE GOD BUT DON'T BE A FOOL!!!

     
  • At 5:19 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Swami Vishwananda has a really nasty Ex-Devotee named Meenakshi.

    This sphinx has launched a very hateful blog called: Tell the Truth123- which is actually filled with lies.

    http://tellthetruth123.wordpress.com/2009/04/16/hello-world/

     
  • At 5:15 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Baba, Babaji, Fuckingji and many other blah-blah-blahji...and I'm here laughing on you all, both, devotees and people of the blog and defenders of the blog's author, for you are all the same fool outcast, only in two different sides, but the same fucking shit. Why? Easy: Jesus - THE WAY, THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE (AND NO ONE ELSE) - stated clearly that He's the only Christ/Avatar and He will be back only in the end of the so-called Kali Yuga to destroy all this fucking shit still called world. I'm sure India is more satvic that any other country, the respect for all the animals, the forms of lives, etc, it's clear that India is more pure than any other fucking country in the whole world. And just for the hope of the true ones, the true righteous and true devotees of God He will come to rescue the elects and let the rest fucking explode up away. Why the fuck then you're all seeking bullshit? Didn't you know that Krishna told the same? He'll come back in the end of the world to finish the shit. Jesus stated the same, as a Saviour coming from the sky for the elects and as a Thief in the night coming from the sky for the demoniac people. I'ts clear: Avatar will come from THE SKY, NOT AS ANY HUMAN GURU. GET REAL. AND IT'S TRUE THAT WE SHOULD SEE AND TREAT EVERY BEING AS GOD, JESUS STATES THAT ACCORDING TO MATTHEW 25 AS WELL.

    LOVE,

    a sincere cultivator

     
  • At 5:37 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    THE ONLY TRUE AVATAR WILL COME FROM THE SKY AS A THIEF IN THE NIGHT FOR THE RASCALS AND AS A SAVIOUR OF GREAT POWER FOR ALL THE ELECTS. IT'S KRISHNA/CHRIST COMING FROM THE SKY IN HIS VISHNU ULTIMATE/TRANSCENDENTAL FORM. TRUE AVATAR WILL COME FROM THE SKY WITH THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF VIMANAS AND HIS ANGELS/DEVAS TOGETHER. ENTIRE SKY WILL BE FULL OF VIMANAS. AVATAR'S COMING FROM THE SKY ONLY. DON'T BE FOOLED. READ REVELATION, IT'S NOT ONLY CHRISTIAN, IT'S HINDU AS WELL, IT'S UNIVERSAL, IT'S A TRUE REVELATION FOR ALL THOSE SINCERELY INTERESTED IN GOD.


    Mt:24:3: And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
    Mt:24:4: And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
    Mt:24:5: For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
    Mt:24:6: And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
    Mt:24:7: For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
    Mt:24:8: All these are the beginning of sorrows.
    Mt:24:9: Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
    Mt:24:10: And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
    Mt:24:11: And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
    Mt:24:12: And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
    Mt:24:13: But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
    Mt:24:14: And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
    Mt:24:15: When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
    Mt:24:16: Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
    Mt:24:17: Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
    Mt:24:18: Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
    Mt:24:19: And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
    Mt:24:20: But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
    Mt:24:21: For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
    Mt:24:22: And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
    Mt:24:23: Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
    Mt:24:24: For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
    Mt:24:25: Behold, I have told you before.
    Mt:24:26: Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
    Mt:24:27: For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

     
  • At 5:46 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    I'd like to encourage you all to read Matthew 24. Jesus states that there will be NO any Christ on Earth, and that He will only come from the sky in the end of the world and that will happen even after all these things pass (false gurus claiming to be Him, etc), and that this is just the beginning of the pain (when these things happen like now).

    Here's an easy link:

    http://www.bibliaonline.com.br/kjv/mt/24

    Jesus states clear that there will be NO Christ among us 'til He's so-called 'Second Coming' from the sky, visible everywhere.

     
  • At 5:54 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    And read Matthew 25 as well, if possible:

    http://www.bibliaonline.com.br/kjv/mt/25

    Jesus states clearly that we should not talk ill of others, instead we should see every being as Him, that's what He'll consider in the end. Those who kept on facing and treating every being as God will be ok, the others, even if they think to be great devotees, will be ignored, He will face them as unknown ones. Then it's true that we should not seek for Christ on Earth anymore, but it's true as well that we should keep on seeing and treating everyone, nay, every being as Christ/Krishna Himself.

    :) God bless all! All beings = different forms of God, no matter the role they're playing in the material world. We just should not stand for the same evil things with them, but we should keep on loving them too.

     
  • At 6:16 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    But Jesus also states that the Kingdom of god is within us, then His 'Second Coming' 'from the sky' 'east to west' could mean a planetary awaken for Krishna/Christ Consciousness as well. Then He could be telling us: 'Believe and follow them not, cos the way is to become as me, everybody'. It's complicated, very difficult for us to understand... Cos He also states that the Lord will come when we don't wait for Him. Maybe when we think that everything's alright with our lots of god-men around and NWO stabilished, eating and drinking and having fun, then the true One arrive. Or it's just not literal as written... Who knows? Well, I just remember that He stated: 'believe them and follow them NOT'. It's enough, uh? The 'why' is not so necessary for those interested in following the Lord sincerely. What you people here think about it?

    Sorry for any ill comment and let's keep on loving all, if there's something right with all these Swamis is their words on seva, love, etc. Let's fulfill our duties as well. Or in the end they'll be the true god-men, with all reason for it, and we'll be just the ill-talkers who've never helped a worm.

    God bless!

    Love,

    common cultivator

     
  • At 12:02 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

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  • At 6:38 PM, Anonymous perky said…

    Even though I have no personnal experience of Sai Baba or this other guru you are talking about, I did and still do have contacts with some others. Presently I am involved in pranic healing and don't feel totally confortable with it. Actually I am even scared of questionning it (or at least certain aspects) for fear of being punished.It does not seem right to be in this frame of mind. Fear is not
    a healthy enlightening emotion. Somehow I also have a hard time hearing some say when someone expose difficulties: it is your bad karma.Originally I got interested in pranic healing out of a wish to heal some ailments. Yet I don't feel any better in spite of my active practice. So it is in complete contradiction with all the miracle stories being claimed.
    Maybe I am just being negative and it is my reluctance to go further into it which is problematic. I know it is easy to try find flaws outside and on others when myself am full of them. I may be mighty wrong. Yet it feels good to express something here, at least my truth, even though it may not be THE truth. I am aware of my limitations. Don't mean to offense anyone. Sidhi powers or not, we are
    not so powerful anyway in my opinion. We are limited in our views, yet granted with the ability to question.

     
  • At 10:08 AM, Anonymous traveller said…

    I found a very serious wrongful allegation in the 1st paragraph and have no interest in the blog. There is the suggestion that Yogananda fathered a child.
    I carry no brief for Yogananda, but I do know that that the accusation was debunked after a DNA test - the rumour emanated from an unstable woman. That such a serious accusation could be casually made, when it was in fact wrong tells me everything about the mindset of the author, whom I have no hesitation in defining as a fool.

     
  • At 6:18 PM, Blogger Sheen said…

    1st or last paragraph??

    No interest in blog or carrying brief for Yogananda, however still commented!? :)

     
  • At 4:58 AM, Anonymous Kriya Yoga said…

    Kriya Yoga an ancient yoga technique was reintroduced by sri yogananda paramahansa. Kriya yoga lessons are available from self realisation fellowship which was founded by sri yogananda paramahansa.

    http://www.yogananda-srf.org/tmp/meditation.aspx?id=116

     
  • At 6:19 PM, Blogger Sheen said…

    To Kriya Yoga - this page is dedicated to questioning the authenticity of gurus etc so with respect it's not really appropriate to promote SRF!

    Regards

     
  • At 7:23 PM, Blogger Sheen said…

    Quote from my blog:
    "Vishwananda's socio/political awareness can be safely seen as arbitrary at the very least. It is very unclear what his supporters' specific ideologies are, including 'mother' Meera."

    Their support for 'Western' influenced politics has become evident at the expense of left or liberal views.

     
  • At 7:23 PM, Blogger Suven said…

    A message came to my attention recently regarding Vishwananda and him indicating that there would be the end of this world very soon!

    His presence however on the planet may lead to....

     
  • At 4:10 PM, Blogger Sheen said…

    There has also info that Vishwananda has been instrumental in getting some blogs deleted - the 'tellthetruth123' blogsite is the main one it seems.

     
  • At 4:14 PM, Blogger Sheen said…

    Regarding last comment - not sure as yet if there are any kind of real threats being made to individuals to scrap a blog.

     
  • At 7:11 AM, Blogger Suven said…

    The blog which was apparently deleted by vishwananda and/or goup is now back (date Feb 2011):

    http://tellthetruthswamivishwananda.wordpress.com/2011/02/18/hello-world/

     
  • At 7:15 AM, Blogger Suven said…

    Also there has been a lady who has been in contact over recent months who has been under a great deal of stress owing to her partner having left her for vishwananda, it would seem at vishwananda's request. Would advise people to not be afraid and talk about their experiences and God will ensure justice.

     
  • At 9:49 AM, Blogger Navkar Exports said…

  • At 2:47 AM, Anonymous Ex devotee said…

    Hi . Vishwananda is a very dangerous man! i lived in his ashram for some time, and i would really like to exchange some stories and also i am collecting stories of ex devotees. So please reply to my post and send me your email adress and i will contact you then.
    Its very important that the ex devotees stick together now and fight against this demon on earth who will take all your money, time, energy, destroy families and your life!

    in the end the truth will be revealed, but if your are intelligent enough you better leave this man and start a happy and independant life without him!

     

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